Have a look at todays news threads for EVS, great first half results, important acquisition announced, more exciting news promised in February. Up 25% so far today.

paulbrooks71: That can only mean the broker is trying to fill a large order without going to the market. I remember it happened to a friend of mine who the broker knew had a large holding. The broker tempted him to release his stock after which it more than doubled. The omens are good me thinks!

superrod: Not by much! The latest trade has just gone through at 4.00p. The fun has only just begun, Keep smiling!

grevis2
i dont buy unless i think its a winner. have been watching the movement the last few days and cant see a reason why it shouldnt continue. ( this from a guy who bought SEO last frday for 10.05p........NOW 15p bid ) :o))))))

Do Envesta have to make any announcement to the market/stock exchange when their price rises by so much or quickly?

my understanding is that the price rises or falls by a certain amount a co has to release an rns. either saying they have no idea why or spilling the beans. i have no idea what that rise/fall may be, just something ive read on other tyhreads, so it might be garbage.

There should be an announcement soon regarding the new "mass market product" that is to be launched and results are out in the next couple of months which should be even ahead of Envesta's expectations, that is why the price is rising coupled with a relatively small market cap. As always, DYOR but the PE ratio should stil be in single figures when the results are out and they should give guidance for significantly increasing profits along with the new product. This should provide the small investor with the double whammy of increasing profits and an increasing PE justified by the profit growth, this is pretty much what happened at ASOS. I have bought in significantly, my mate has put his mortgage on the company but remember, it is still a small cap with all of the inherent risks, in my opinion, the upside on this share is significant!

Well said ehall. Spendid day. Just hope none of you were shaken out. More to come. Good luck!

Top % Gainers
# EPIC Name Price Chg %

14 EVS Envesta Ord 1p 4.0 0.6 17.65

Hi guys! Nice bit of consolidation around 4p. Needs to steady around this area before the next big push forward. Plenty of volume in the last few days. Someone decried that MM buy of 25K. That's a sure sign that one of them had run out of stock. All very positive. Would expect to see 5p tested some time soon, but not today.

Thanks Grevis for news of MM. Will hold onto my shares for some time still - looking for 8p after results maybe?

momentarily in profit.......ah well, cant get rich overnight

Checked number of shares bought v sold this week = +26million.

Any theories as to why the mm's are holding the sp back?

I suspect that they are getting shares from somewhere and holding the sp back until the "significant product launch". Demand will go ballistic and they will rocket the sp making "loads o' money". Or they don't have any shares and are waiting for the product launch before rocketing the sp counting on profit takers for their stock. Either way in the words of Yazz "the only way is up".

IMHO the sp is based on the future potential of the company. Therefore I think this share is grossly undervalued and should be at 12-16p. If I had any spare cash I would put in to EVS. ALready got 35k in. DYOR.

Taken from iii..........


A recent brokers note stated on fundimentals the shares should be trading at 5p. Looking at EVS's recent trading statement the annualised run rate would suggest the analyst's forecasts are on the low side and will have to be updated. We are seeing a catch up situation here, coupled with managements ambition, which hopefully will make todays share price look cheap.


I've been looking around for a better value buy then EVS but still no luck!

The broker recommendation as you say is at 5p as a fair value price so buying at 2p was a good idea! However, the financial figures on which the forecasts were made are now out of date according to the EVS trading update and the fundamental value of the firm has increased since the calcultaion was made due to recent trading ahead of expectations. This is very positive really as the broker will then issue a new note once the results are published with a revised upwards fundamental valuation of the firm!

Not only that, if you look at the recent history of EVS news and broker research, all point to revenues increasing and consistently ahead of the predicted levels! Late night last night.....?

I believe with the above news, there will be more upside this coming week

Morning all. I absolutely concur with your positive sentiments. It would seem from this morning's strong opening that many agree with you. The bid has slipped back a bit but don't be tempted out. We've yet to see the best from these. Interest is still growing in EVS and the MMs are not exactly flush with stock. With a market cap of around 9 million and projected profits of &750K for 2004/5 and 1.62 million for 2005/6, this stock has further to go. If the latter proves correct then we are looking at a forward PE of around 5.55. For a growth stock that makes EVS remarkably cheap. With a significant product launch due any day now, I would expect this stock to test new highs before the week is out. Good luck!

I've pulled this from another BB, which although I've seen it before, provides a good insight into the workings of MMs.

MARKET MAKER SPEAKS OUT: Ways of a Market Maker

I was an OTC MM for about 10 years ending in the late 80's. Since then I have been strictly an investor. Since I have not been that up to date in MM rules I will only make statements that I feel fairly confident are still accurate regarding these activities. By and large most MM don't have a clue nor do they care to learn, about the fundamentals of the stocks they trade.

They just try to make orderly markets. When dealing with BB stocks it is very easy for a MM to get trapped into being short in dealing in a fast moving market. Reason being; most of the MM's in this stock are what are called "wholesalers" this means they don't have retail brokers "working" the stocks.

So they have to rely on what's known as the "call" from larger retail houses. If a "Big" retail firm like an E-trade calls up a market maker to purchase say 5,000 shares of a stock, they expect to get an "execution" from that market maker. If he turns them down, or only gives a partial then the "Big" firm will go to another MM.

If this second MM "fills the order" then that "Big" firm has a moral obligation to continue to give future "business" in that stock to that MM who performed (his life blood). This will go on until he "fails" to perform and so on.

Contrary to popular opinion the "Big" firms Do NOT neccessarily go to the "Low Offer" to fill a buy order (Or high bid for a sell). They "Go" to who they think will perform to fill the order and expect that MM to "match" the "low offer" in the case of a buy (bid in the case of a sell). Even though this MM might in fact be the "high bid" and not really want to sell any more.

As a wholesaler he must perform or he will get a reputation as a "non-performer" with the "Big" houses and will cease getting "calls" which means he will soon go out of business. I mentioned above that this activity is very significant to BB stocks. I say this because most of the trades in these BB stocks are "unsolicited" and are done through discount houses.

With the above groundwork laid, let me try to explain how market makers get short even if they like the Company; Lets say that a stock (shell) has been lying quietly at $.25 bid $.50 offered. A limit order comes into one of the MM's to Buy at $.50 for a thousand shares. Prior to this trade that MM may be "flat" (neither long or short any shares). He fills the order and is now short 1,000 shares. He may raise his bid hoping to find a seller to "flatten" out his position. But before he realizes it a wave of buyers have come in and cleared out all the $.50 offers. Now the stock is $.50 bid .75 offered. Here comes that "Big" firm he just sold the 1,000 shares to at .50 with another bid for 1000 at .75. He makes this print. Now he is short 2,000 at an average of .625. The market keeps moving and now its .75 bid 1.00 offered. Now he has to make a decision.

Just like investors, MM Hate to take a loss. So 9 times out of 10 he will now sell 2000 at 1.00 making him short 4000 but with an average .81. At this time he would love to see a seller at .75 so he can cover his short and make a few bucks.

But instead the market keeps moving up. Now it is 1.00 to 1.25 and here comes the buyer again at 1.25. He doesn't want to lose the call so now he needs to sell 4,000 at 1.25 to keep his break even point above the bid. Now he is short 8,000. Market moves up to 1.25 bid 1.50 offer here comes the buyer now he feels he must sell 8000 here because "stocks don't go up forever".

Now he is short 16,000. And so on and so on. If the stock keeps moving up, before he realizes it he could be short 50k or 100k shares (depending how big his bank is).

Finally the market closes for the day and on paper he may look all right in that his "break even" price may be around the closing price. But now he has to figure out how to entice sellers so he can cover this short. It is important to note that if this happened to one MM it has probably happened to most all of them.

Some ways MM's entice sellers; Run the stock up with a "tight spread" in a fast market, then "open" up the spread to slow down the buying interest. After it has "cooled off" for a little while lower the offer below the last trade right after a small piece trades on the offer then tighten the spread so that the sellers feel they can take a "quick profit" by "hitting the bid" on the tight spread.

Once the selling starts the MM's will walk it down quickly by only making small prints on the way down with the tight spread. Another way is by running the stock up in the morning, averaging up their short then use the above technique to walk it down in the afternoon.

Hopefully after doing this for several days, it will demoralize the buyers. The volume will dry up and the sellers will materialize thinking that the game is over.

Contrary to popular opinion, MM usually Do Not Cover in Fast moving markets either Up or Down if they are short. They Short More. They usually try to cover after the frenzy is out of the market. There are many other techniques they use but the above are the most popular.

This technique works about 9 times out of 10 particularly in a BB market. However that is because 9 out of 10 BB stocks are BS. Remember what I said above. Most MM's don't have a clue as to the value of a Company until they get trapped. If the Company has solid fundementals and a bright future. Then the stock will do very well. And the activity that caused the situation will prove to even help the future stock activity because it created an audience

Just checked the price online. Bid down again but offer is static at 4.00p buy and max 150K at that. MMs are trying to square their books so don't be tempted to sell.

Thank you for the above grevis-it explains very clearly why we have to watch out for the pitfalls. you almost feel sorry for the poor mms-I said almost!!

Thank you grevis for the way of mm's working. I've bought again this morning so price fall is a little disappointing but will enjoy the climbs another day.