Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Looking back at what happen in the past, some maybe old enough to remember the truth about economy and country disturbances.
Socialist (Labour suporters ) would not agree much of that truth, but I do remember plenty of what "AlanG" says.
1982 to 1987 (August) was when the boom years of the stock Market after being at rock bottom.

Today 15:36 by AlanG

I am old enough to remember Mrs Thatcher taking over as PM she took over a country that was on the verge of being bankrupt a country where 3 day weeks were the norm due to power plants etc on strike , a country where people could not be buried due to strikes a country where bins were not being emptied and a country Red Robbo and King Aurthur Scargil thought they ran.
I was a very frequent visitor to British Leyland over all these years and quality of the cars was being kind to them Crap.

We were seen as the sick man of Europe . Dennis Healy our great chancellor was Hauled of a plane ( going on another jolly) when the IMF pulled him off asking him to explain the country's dire finance situation also 3 million people unemployed .
Mrs Thatcher inherited a total mess and total chaos .
Mrs Thatcher over her tenure pulled things around bringing investment from Toyota, Nissan etc etc the country was back open for business.

After 13 years the electorate seen fit to dump the Goverment and elect Labour Mr Blair who took us into false wars, bringing chaos to the Middle East and flooding the country with immigrants, I have no problem with immigration but try getting into Australia, USA, Canada etc without a job to go to or being sponsored .
Mr Blair taking over a country with a balance of payment surplus and great gold reserves started to spend along with his mighty chancellor like a drunken sailor in port.

Put us in mighty debt, sold our gold at Rock Bottom Price and robbed everyone in a pension of their pot , Brown had maxed out the credit cards, spent all the gold money , put the country in massive debt it will never recover from but hey ho he seen the pension pots of companies and insurance company's and decided to levy them sticking his sticky fingers into YOUR hard earned but Wise Gordon knew shares only increased and the skim off he had done would soon be made up by the pension funds !!! But hey ho we hit a recession shares plunged and then pension providers did not have enough to cover their liabilities so we went from having the Best pensions in Europe to the worst all thanks to Mr Brown raiding your pension providers.
The country under Labour was again on the verge of being bankrupt like the note they left THEIR IS NO MONEY LEFT

Then the Tory's get crap for cuts trying to balance the books it's not the Tory's that made us have the cuts it was the Labour Party .
I ask one question to the doubters when did any LABOUR Government leave behind a solid financial situation ever since the war all labour have left behind is turmoil.
Dian Abbot is a prime example of a socialist attempts to stop more grammar schools ( which I was fortunate to attend) a way of a working class person of getting on in life as you could not afford private education. The secondary modern school which Mrs Abbot wants to force you to send your children to is NOT Good enough for her Children and she sends then half way across London to a £25,000 pa school so socialism for

Clinton now more than 2m votes ahead in popular vote with millions yet to count. She may end up 5m ahead

There are concerns over voter fraud relating to computer voting. Deadline approaching for key states to investigate and recount.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/hillary-clinton-election-vote-recount-michigan-pennsylvania-wisconsin

https://www.ft.com/content/cb79b0be-b0cb-11e6-a37c-f4a01f1b0fa1

Trump reverses course on core campaign pledges

mentor - an interesting article, but it is only slightly less partisan than its counter would be from say polly toynbee ..... nevertheless, there are certainly some valid points made therein

cynic

re -old times and the future

1- Railways employed ten people to do one persons job.
2 - Militant unions run the country and the town halls.
3 - We are in a different environment now but we must be vigilant and not let those wasteful socialists back in power.
4 - Brexit is by far our best option for realising this.

One was glad to have the price of a cup of tea
and 2p phone calls till BT privatisation in 1984

Oh dear Haystack can't except the US election result .

They can't accept Brexit ,can't except The Donald ,what is wrong with today's people , get over it for gods sake.

http://www.palmerreport.com/news/media-donald-trump-threaten-leak/186/

Donald Trump assembled the media today to threaten them. They responded by leaking it all.

again, i agree with part of what you say but i suspect, your inclination is for a totally hard brexit wherein we tell europe to go fuck itself and thus cut off our noses to spite out faces

cynic , the EU are the one's playing silly games ,it has to be OUT because they say no freedom of movement means no access to single market .
What do you want to negotiate ,keep free movement ? the public won't allow it.

Here’s the obscure Constitutional clause that could sink Donald Trump’s would-be presidency
By Bill Palmer, Palmer Report, November 21, 2016

After two hundred and forty years, one might expect that every last nook and cranny of the Constitution has already been put to the test in defining fashion. But as it turns out there’s at least one Constitutional sentence that’s remained obscure because it’s never been seriously tested by any President. It’s called the Emoluments Clause, and it’s what Democrats in the Senate may be able to use to deliver a body blow Donald Trump before his would-be presidency can even take off.

Everyone who still remembers their high school civics class can probably recall the most famous portion of Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution: “No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States.” It’s the part that makes it impossible for the President to declare himself King, or to hand out royal titles as favors. But while we’re all relieved that Trump can’t legally name himself Emperor, it’s the rest of that same sentence that may matter most: “And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

In other words, as has been laid out by CNBC in a rather convincing legal argument, the Emoluments Clause means that it’s unconstitutional for Donald Trump to be conducting personal financial business with foreign leaders while he’s meeting with them about United States foreign policy.

Donald Trump has already violated this clause at least once in the past week, when he had his daughter Ivanka – whom he has said will run his business interests while he’s in office – sit in on what was supposed to be a meeting of heads of state between himself and the Japanese Prime Minister. This is the kind of unconstitutionally illegal behavior that Congress could impeach Trump for, if the Republican majority had any conscience. But even in spite of that, Senate Democrats have the numbers to stage a filibuster in order to force the Republican majority to deal with the issue. After all, the Constitution says that Trump can only do this if Congress specifically gives him permission.

So under 25s want to be governed by EU cronies because EU holidays are convenient - Stateside they want a corrupt family to head the country. I'm at a loss which generation is more morally bankrupt - us Brit's of dam yanks.

It's the snowflake generation elrico, they know nothing else, and don't have the wit to question.

And people then scratch their heads at Diane Abbot sending her kids to private skool (there is a reason)

The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.

Gentleman, I can not take credit for the eloquent phrase I just posted. That, believe it or not was uttered by none other than Socrates. Trust me when I say, humans are creatures of habit.

The young fill their hearts with passion that they will change their world, and the old fill their minds with fear of that same thought.

(Now that I can take credit for)
The point is gentlemen. No matter how much you fear the thought of 'liberals being too liberal', 'muslims stealing our taxi jobs' (although with the introduction of driverless cars you won't have to fear that much longer) and 'elites picking on the average man' rest assured you are not the first humans to go through this.
Humans are of great intelligence. Well, most of us anyway... But we always seem to follow these same cycles; Grow as a people, encourage equality and safer living, get nervous at the rate of change, destroy it all.
That cycle can be applied to anything a human does. A relationship, a project, a business, a persons rights.

And can I please say, for Christs sake the reason that the average, white working class man has suffered in the past eight years is not to do with some muslims fleeing from war torn countries. But is to do with the bankers that caused all of this. Those that knew it would happen and knew the people would bail them out. It's to do with the politicians (our leaders) who did not punish them. It's to do with this consumer driven, inflation risen, system that each and every one of us buys into.
And I am very fucking sorry to disappoint you TANKER but guess what? White British people rape, murder, steal and intimidate just as much as any other race. I implore you to put down your scrumpy, whiskey, Stella and to look beyond your timid curtain to see that we are all the same at the root.

Forget €urope, the economy and shit like that.

Lets get with the real news:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/celebrity-get-adam-thomas-gets-11-stars-bushtucker-trial/

Reminds of somebody!

Where are Corporal Farage and his squad when you want them?

So you switch over here with your boring comic strip Freda . Heaven help us . Mr Doom descends .

Vicky,

Are you practising to become a stalker?

I ain't practicing . I'm with undercover services checking for undesirables and anti government activists .