Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Fred1new - 14 Sep 2017 11:09 - 7506 of 7515

This thread has memories of the xenophobia shown in the 30s.

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Fred you really are a thicko , i feel for you.

Hilary,


I would think it is the hope that the economies of the top half will improve by modernistion.

I wandered around Portugal in the late 90s and early 2000s.

What was noted was the improvement of "infrastructure" and general standards "well-being".

Much due to EU and its "subsidies".

Their economy improved until the crash.

(How much of Portugal economy is/was based on tourism is/was I don't know.)

It was the support of the pack which gave them strength,

I am "sure" that the same effects can occur for others in the top half of the list.

Also, prefer not to have discontentment on ones border.

France will be lucky to have border control of the channel.

Fred,

Yes, it's quite understandable how poorer members have benefited from EU membership (How poorer countries benefit from membership of the EU), but that doesn't really answer the question as to how the richer countries have benefited by allowing them to join the club.

Btw, there is a very valid answer to that question, but it's a ticking timebomb which the Great British public (in their infinite wisdom) don't realise.

It is not immigration from the EU that is the issue. To my mind, it is a complete red herring. The problem is immigration from outside the EU, all in the name of multiculturism. All governments have failed to stop the inflows from outside.
Notice the correlation between British people leaving and people coming in from outside the EU.
I would be quite happy to see immigration continuing from the culturally similar EU (the french apart) in return for staying in the common market.

You didn't need a referendum and you don't need to leave the EU to limit non-EU immigration, iturama.

Maybe there's a reason why successive governments haven't put quotas or caps on it over the years. Maybe, without the same levels of EU immigration post-Brexit, non-EU immigration will be higher. Now there's a thought.... :o)

Regarding the French, I think there's about 180k Brits in France and a similar number of French in the UK. Not really a large enough number to bother about imo, and pretty balanced on both sides of the equation.

Compare that to the 916k Poles living in the UK, and the 1.4m total EU8 citizens living in the UK, and balance that against the handful of Brits living in EU8 countries (only 14k), and you've got a problem if you don't invest their tax income in upgrading infrastructure.

Maybe. I didn't vote out because of EU immigration. I voted out to be rid of the EU Commission, its load of self-entitled apparatchiks and the EU project.

The french was my feeble attempt at a joke. Lovely people I'm sure. Over there.

And the rulings of the EU Commission really affect your lifestyle in any way other than by restricting anti-competitive practices, limiting pollution, and making beaches cleaner and air purer?

I would've thought they're good things?

Its not the good things that irritate me. Its the rest, starting with that old fart Junkie.

What are the benefits like in Luxembourg?

Are you looking for a new council flat then?

Wouldn't mind hilly.

But looking at the comparative income figs, Luxembourg must have something going for it.

Why aint the grunts piling in there?

Because there's nothing to do there and the weather sucks.

Oh, and the eastern European skillset is too low.

And the weather doesn't suck in the UK ?

Saying that it's glorious sunshine here today but I live in Gods own country.

It sucks here today, Dilbert.

After Jean Claude Juncker's speech this week thank god we are leaving the EU , even the Guardian thinks he's crazy.