goldfinger
- 09 Jun 2005 12:25
Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).
Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.
cheers GF.
Fred1new
- 03 Jan 2017 12:58
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If your antecedents were to admit to you, where were they from?
grannyboy
- 03 Jan 2017 14:13
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What before taxpayers wern't screwed just to fund parasites in Pakistan,
or a swiss bank account for a dictator from Africa...YOU mean before then!!!
LMFAO.....
grannyboy
- 03 Jan 2017 14:15
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And i might add..Breeding parasites, who think nothing of having NINE
children, AT LEAST...
The money would be better spent on birth control!!
Fred1new
- 03 Jan 2017 14:23
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Are you sure they have NINE children.
I can think of a family which had too many!
cynic
- 03 Jan 2017 14:45
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i can see from the blanks that the blatherer is blathering
for all that, fred, i don't think that you can honestly deny that an awful lot of so-called aid is spent in the wrong way, in the wrong places and totally without oversight
i know that as in so many political trades, it is exceedingly difficult if not impossible to monitor or prevent misappropriation, and of course that even applies when food/medical convoys are sent to stricken places ..... nevertheless, there certainly seems to be a considerable amount of unaccountability both on the uk side (as donor) and assuredly of the recipient
Fred1new
- 03 Jan 2017 15:02
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Manuel.
I sure that a lot of AID money ends up in the wrong people's pockets.
Similarly, in this country, a lot of government contracts, deals, expenses and other payments end up being paid to those not rightly "entitled" to that money.
It would be sensible to "investigate" those who are deliberately "robbing" the country as a whole and expose, prosecute and punish.
The problem is the lack of will to do so by all previous and present governments.
(But, when you see a minister being reappointed after being fired claiming for a boy- friend to escort him abroad on holiday I doubt that this government would have the courage to do so.)
cynic
- 03 Jan 2017 15:08
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lack of will to prosecute might be better aimed at HMRC who set an appalling example
HMRC will relentlessly pursue the (relatively) minor offenders who will not have the funds to defend themselves, whereas the big fish - no need to mention names! - are rarely pursued or some comparatively innocuous out-of-court settlement will be reached
herr juncker emerges with an interesting odour too!
Fred1new
- 03 Jan 2017 15:09
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Another point is, that while I do not agree with ignoring "false" claims or Masonic type handshake deals the difficulties, the costs of investigating may sometimes be as much as the corrupt or crooked dealings themselves.
cynic
- 03 Jan 2017 15:12
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that is indeed true
however, the perception of non-pursuit is that the obese cats on their various yachts can get away with whatever they like ....... of F1 owners similar may be said
iturama
- 03 Jan 2017 15:16
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Only a politician could think that giving away a fixed % of GDP every year is a good idea. It leads to hand outs at financial year end to complete the tally. No private company would set a budget in that way. I sometimes wonder whether our clowns are any better than those in the EU when it comes to dealing with other peoples money. Disgrace. Give where truly needed and forget targets. Same with defence. Spend what is needed. The % of GDP should be guidelines only.
cynic
- 03 Jan 2017 15:25
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No private company would set a budget in that way ....... not so!
i can think of several large (overseas) corporations who run a "use it or lose it" policy
iturama
- 03 Jan 2017 15:54
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The difference is in the "lose it" bit C.
grannyboy
- 03 Jan 2017 16:08
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The NHS is a big believer in spending whatever is in the pot, and not what
should happen, ie if any money is left over at year end then it should be put
back into the pot.
I worked for the NHS several years ago in distribution, the unit i worked at
had some money left over from their allocation and if they didn't use the money
they would lose it, so instead of the left over money going back into the general
NHS funds, it encouraged each unit to waste that money, in the units case where
i was they spent it on a dinky van toy with NHS on the side and a glass tankered
also etched with the NHS logo, of course there was several dozen of each.
I refused mine and expressed my disgust at the wastage..
cynic
- 03 Jan 2017 16:13
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to elucidate .... lose it means that any underspend gets cut from the following year's budget as well
Haystack
- 03 Jan 2017 16:26
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cynic
- 03 Jan 2017 16:31
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a good number of those countries being given aid are also among the world's most corrupt
there are also some stupendously misdirected, smaller aid sums that are regularly brought to light by investigative journalists
2517GEORGE
- 03 Jan 2017 16:33
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''the majority of Britons support overseas development spending''
Where is the proof, has anyone on this thread been asked whether they are for or against the above?
2517
grannyboy
- 03 Jan 2017 16:53
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2517GEORGE, there isn't any proof that Britons support overseas foreign
aid spending, and just like 99.99% of people i spoke to before the referendum
who were going to vote LEAVE, most people i speak to about overseas aid agree
that it should be stopped or severely curtailed...
Fred1new
- 03 Jan 2017 16:53
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cynic
- 03 Jan 2017 17:15
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fred - for how long has uk supported both saudi and syria with armaments?
stop being a naughty boy :-)