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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Fred1new - 19 Sep 2017 09:02 - 7569 of 12628

iturama - 19 Sep 2017 09:04 - 7570 of 12628

Vote for this lot and you get certified... so avoid obviously.

jimmy b - 19 Sep 2017 09:39 - 7571 of 12628

What a bunch ,imagine them in charge of Britain ,a chilling thought .

Fred1new - 19 Sep 2017 09:42 - 7572 of 12628

It,

You prefer the present narcissistic bunch of incompetent tory con artists in the tory leadership and government?

They have conned you and the adolescents of UKIP and far right.

Some of which are trying to find the right coloured shirts to wear.

Have you conned yourself.

You remind me of :

Fred1new - 19 Sep 2017 10:10 - 7573 of 12628

PS.

The tory elite are delighted that Theresa is grabbing the driving wheel again even though she is broken and blind.

She is not a backseat driver and is leading her disastrous policies.

When she is dumped her present "cronies" will be able to blame her for the mistakes all of them have signed up to. (Including the phoney previous leaders Cameron and Osborne.)

mentor - 19 Sep 2017 10:10 - 7574 of 12628

iturama

you forgot the picks of " Freda & Stanislav "

I think they will be like this ... The 2 C#NTS

note : following the "C"

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mentor - 19 Sep 2017 15:51 - 7575 of 12628

No way José says Johnson

UK foreign minister Johnson says he will not resign -Sky

LONDON, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Britain's foreign minister Boris Johnson said he was not going to resign, when questioned on Tuesday following reports that he could quit before the weekend if his Brexit demands were not met by Prime Minister Theresa May.

May is due to make a speech on Brexit on Friday and the Daily Telegraph newspaper reported that close friends of Johnson believe he will have no choice but to walk away if she advocates permanently paying for access to the EU's single market.

Speaking in New York, Johnson was asked by reporters if he planned to resign in footage aired by Sky News.

"No ... Of course not, we're going to deliver a fantastic Brexit," he said. "We're working together, and the key thing is to make sure Britain can take advantage of the opportunities that Brexit provides."

mentor - 19 Sep 2017 23:46 - 7576 of 12628

Is the figure right? ..........

British PM expected to offer to fill post-Brexit EU budget hole -FT

Sept 19 (Reuters) - The British government has told German Chancellor Angela Merkel to expect Prime Minister Theresa May this week to offer to fill a post-Brexit European Union budget hole of at least 20 billion euros, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday.

The prime minister's EU adviser Oliver Robbins assured his European counterparts that May's Friday speech in Florence would include the offer, the FT reported, citing officials briefed on the discussions

MaxK - 19 Sep 2017 23:54 - 7577 of 12628

€20billion is as good a figure as any, seeing as we don't owe them any money...quite the reverse.

But even at that price, it's worth it to get from under

Stan - 20 Sep 2017 07:46 - 7578 of 12628

Come on you little Englanders sort it out.

ExecLine - 20 Sep 2017 08:47 - 7579 of 12628

'...offer the EU €20bn...'

'...give the DUP £1Bn...'

Where does she find these sums of money, that she just seems to be able to pluck out of a hat?

Dil - 20 Sep 2017 10:22 - 7580 of 12628

It's only what we are already paying them.

Probably offer it to them for some 2 or 3 year transitional agreement.

I'd rather Boris's option of just walking out and paying nothing in March 2019 but I'm not dead against chipping in for a couple more years if it helps smooth the negotiations.

ExecLine - 20 Sep 2017 11:28 - 7581 of 12628

We all now realise the negotiations are not only going to be tough but also how the whole thing is going to be very complicated.

And it's very, very much 'about negotiation'.

To be a good negotiator you have to know your bottom line and your ceiling and what you'll settle at, all before you start. It's a very bad idea to start telling the other side what your negotiative plan is before you begin, which is what the 'Remoaners' keep wanting to hear all about.

Davis does give me the impression he is better at it that that 'Barnier' chappy, who is just going in very hard with a ridiculous OTT stance.

Fred1new - 20 Sep 2017 12:52 - 7582 of 12628

Which is better to "to buy a pig in a poke" or "sell a pig in a poke"?

Certainly, May, Brexiters and cronies are trying the to do the latter.

Many of the remainers weren't puffing out their chest, making hollow claims and general tub thumping, but realised the problems of exiting.

2517GEORGE - 20 Sep 2017 13:06 - 7583 of 12628


Many of the leavers weren't puffing out their chest, making hollow claims and general tub thumping, but realised the problems of exiting.

mentor - 20 Sep 2017 13:21 - 7584 of 12628

Some see the "European Union " like a images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsKgU7oTkfcOOb5Gn85sR

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTOfwUrwe1Z2LdSyqlz-9- images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSy2S7RXcu5RR_QuiDzWvk- 240_F_56444066_wYdSLzyfBDIxea5Z1b9VGh7hT


and want to ... images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSh9_nW0pRWA91MuMfivRY... before it happens

Fred1new - 20 Sep 2017 14:49 - 7585 of 12628

George,

Irony George, Irony!

Stan - 20 Sep 2017 18:28 - 7586 of 12628

Fred you will have to excuse George as he's still getting over the visit of Jeremy Corbyn to his County the other week 😀

2517GEORGE - 20 Sep 2017 19:09 - 7587 of 12628

What county is that Stan?

jimmy b - 21 Sep 2017 08:38 - 7588 of 12628

Hinge and Bracket still attacking anyone who dare question their views ,typical stupid lefties .
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