Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

PS.

The tory elite are delighted that Theresa is grabbing the driving wheel again even though she is broken and blind.

She is not a backseat driver and is leading her disastrous policies.

When she is dumped her present "cronies" will be able to blame her for the mistakes all of them have signed up to. (Including the phoney previous leaders Cameron and Osborne.)

iturama

you forgot the picks of " Freda & Stanislav "

I think they will be like this ... The 2 C#NTS

note : following the "C"

No way José says Johnson

UK foreign minister Johnson says he will not resign -Sky

LONDON, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Britain's foreign minister Boris Johnson said he was not going to resign, when questioned on Tuesday following reports that he could quit before the weekend if his Brexit demands were not met by Prime Minister Theresa May.

May is due to make a speech on Brexit on Friday and the Daily Telegraph newspaper reported that close friends of Johnson believe he will have no choice but to walk away if she advocates permanently paying for access to the EU's single market.

Speaking in New York, Johnson was asked by reporters if he planned to resign in footage aired by Sky News.

"No ... Of course not, we're going to deliver a fantastic Brexit," he said. "We're working together, and the key thing is to make sure Britain can take advantage of the opportunities that Brexit provides."

Is the figure right? ..........

British PM expected to offer to fill post-Brexit EU budget hole -FT

Sept 19 (Reuters) - The British government has told German Chancellor Angela Merkel to expect Prime Minister Theresa May this week to offer to fill a post-Brexit European Union budget hole of at least 20 billion euros, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday.

The prime minister's EU adviser Oliver Robbins assured his European counterparts that May's Friday speech in Florence would include the offer, the FT reported, citing officials briefed on the discussions

€20billion is as good a figure as any, seeing as we don't owe them any money...quite the reverse.

But even at that price, it's worth it to get from under

Come on you little Englanders sort it out.

'...offer the EU €20bn...'

'...give the DUP £1Bn...'

Where does she find these sums of money, that she just seems to be able to pluck out of a hat?

It's only what we are already paying them.

Probably offer it to them for some 2 or 3 year transitional agreement.

I'd rather Boris's option of just walking out and paying nothing in March 2019 but I'm not dead against chipping in for a couple more years if it helps smooth the negotiations.

We all now realise the negotiations are not only going to be tough but also how the whole thing is going to be very complicated.

And it's very, very much 'about negotiation'.

To be a good negotiator you have to know your bottom line and your ceiling and what you'll settle at, all before you start. It's a very bad idea to start telling the other side what your negotiative plan is before you begin, which is what the 'Remoaners' keep wanting to hear all about.

Davis does give me the impression he is better at it that that 'Barnier' chappy, who is just going in very hard with a ridiculous OTT stance.

Which is better to "to buy a pig in a poke" or "sell a pig in a poke"?

Certainly, May, Brexiters and cronies are trying the to do the latter.

Many of the remainers weren't puffing out their chest, making hollow claims and general tub thumping, but realised the problems of exiting.

Many of the leavers weren't puffing out their chest, making hollow claims and general tub thumping, but realised the problems of exiting.

Some see the "European Union " like a

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and want to ... ... before it happens

George,

Irony George, Irony!

Fred you will have to excuse George as he's still getting over the visit of Jeremy Corbyn to his County the other week 😀

What county is that Stan?

Hinge and Bracket still attacking anyone who dare question their views ,typical stupid lefties .

Well spotted George, I do like to slip in the occasional deliberate spelling mistake just to see if your awake, now back to JC.. did you get his autograph?

I only ask as you have mentioned in the past that you don't always vote for the Con artist Tories?

You're awake Stan - and your supreme leader is Corbyn, not Corbin. Keep it up lad and there will be a position in the shadow cabinet for you.

Not making ridiculous claims ??? You've got a short memory Fred.

Cameron and Osbourne etc were making claims about emergency budgets being needed , unemployment going through the roof , stock market crash , house prices tumbling and WW3. All of which would happen within weeks of an exit vote.

At least Cammy and Osbourne had the decency to resign unlike Carney and many others who got it so wrong.