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How to profit from Betting Exchanges (BEX)     

Scripophilist - 27 Oct 2004 23:40


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How would you like to trade a market where you get large regular price swings every 10 minutes in the afternoon, seven days a week. A
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Scripophilist - 31 Oct 2004 15:41 - 76 of 10502

Jeffmack, A day of rest today. I have put an experimental position on the Bolton vs Newcastle match though.

Scripophilist - 01 Nov 2004 14:25 - 77 of 10502

On the racing this afternoon. Just to show it doesn't always go your way I am down 12 ticks after three races. Hoping for better for the remainder of the day. Will make a cup of tea and close all my other browsers so I don't get distracted!! Will endevour to give you an update after the last race.

Steph - 01 Nov 2004 15:54 - 78 of 10502

Scrip please pencil me in, will confirm in a day or two, thanks.

Scripophilist - 01 Nov 2004 16:06 - 79 of 10502

Will do, Drop an email to sarah@glomtc.com to reserve a space. I have emailed them as well to make sure a place is available.

jeffmack - 01 Nov 2004 16:27 - 80 of 10502

Just had a bet on Dow finishing negative at 4.0

Scripophilist - 01 Nov 2004 16:30 - 81 of 10502

Results from the afternoon on the horses. An "interesting" day! The +/- is for ticks per race. This is my preferred measure as I equalise all bets to a tick size to ensure good money management.

1350 -5
1400 -9
1410 +6
1420 +0
1430 +0
1440 +1
1450 -1
1500 No activity
1510 +3
1520 +0
1530 +12
1540 No activity
1550 +10
1600 +0

+17 Ticks gross on the day. I haven't looked to check the net total yet but not a particulary exciting day.

A very poor start but just didn't have my head screwed on. These things tend to average out over time. I've made an attempt to document some of the activity recently to present at the course. This should give you a good feel for how a day goes and the sort of decisions you will need to make.

Scripophilist - 01 Nov 2004 16:31 - 82 of 10502

jeffmack, what price did you get?

Scripophilist - 01 Nov 2004 16:32 - 83 of 10502

I find there are some odd prices on the financials every now and again. It looks like the underlying includes a calculation using beta and when the market is volatile intra day it can throw up some odd prices.

jeffmack - 01 Nov 2004 16:39 - 84 of 10502

Scrip
4.0

No backers at the mo, just layers at 4.0, 3.5, 1.62

Kayak - 01 Nov 2004 16:53 - 85 of 10502

Scrip, what do you mean by a "tick"? E.g. from 1.34 to 1.35, or 6.0 to 6.2, on BF?

Scripophilist - 01 Nov 2004 17:07 - 86 of 10502

Kayak, Yes, 3.05-3.10, 1.80-1.81 etc. I have found if you do not equalise your risk according to the tick size you are unable to balance your risk longer term.

Kayak - 01 Nov 2004 17:12 - 87 of 10502

Oh. Then I had a good day :-))

13.00 +13
13.10 No activity
13.20 -6
13.30 No activity
13.40 +7
13.50 +6
14.00 +13
14.10 +0
14.20 +9
14.30 +0
14.40 +3
14.50 +7
15.00 +4
15.10 +6
15.20 +8
15.30 -6
15.40 +8
15.50 +9
16.00 +0
16.10 -13

Total +68

Scripophilist - 01 Nov 2004 17:17 - 88 of 10502

Probably at my expense :(

I didn't really get it together today. Still there is the football tonight.

jeffmack - 01 Nov 2004 17:46 - 89 of 10502

Slow market the financial bets

Fundamentalist - 01 Nov 2004 19:55 - 90 of 10502

Good job kayak - well done!!!!

Steph - good to see you attending the course

Jeff - hope you are right - im short ftse futures from the close and could do with a drop in the dow

jeffmack - 01 Nov 2004 20:10 - 91 of 10502

Laid off my bet, so if Dow is up I'm level, if its down I win. Looks like up tho

Scripophilist - 01 Nov 2004 20:10 - 92 of 10502

Greened up on Man City vs Norwich before kick off so a win whatever happens during the match.

Fundamentalist - 01 Nov 2004 20:14 - 93 of 10502

greened up scrip ????

Scripophilist - 01 Nov 2004 20:22 - 94 of 10502

Missed the chance to grab a screen shot as Man City 1-0 up already. See the England Poland example in the top right hand corner. The P&L is green on each line so I win whatever the result. The process to achieve this is nicknamed, "Greening up"

jeffmack - 01 Nov 2004 20:27 - 95 of 10502

Script
Been trying to Green up but never seem to quite get there. Will have to attend a course.

One thing, the way you bet, do you need to have a substantial sum deposited with betfair (1000+)

Is it a case of big stake small margin
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