bosley
- 20 Feb 2004 09:34
ptholden
- 30 Sep 2004 13:18
- 76 of 27111
AdieH
Have the same kind of thoughts as yourself, SEO looks a good buy. Am I right in thinking that the Court Case will probably favour BPRG? Will do SEO more harm than BPRG but probably only in the short term. All will be revealed tomorrow!
PTH
hlyeo98
- 30 Sep 2004 20:25
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SEO will have more contracts coming in
bosley
- 01 Oct 2004 11:09
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here it is finally put to bed.
BioProgress Plc
('BioProgress' or the 'Company')
High Court victory for BioProgress in Patent Entitlement case
In a 100 per cent victory in a dispute with Stanelco Fibre Optics Limited,
BioProgress Technology Limited, a wholly owned subsidiary of BioProgress plc
(LSE: AIM: BPRG), has been awarded outright ownership of the master patent that
gives it exclusive worldwide rights to the process of making capsules from non-
gelatin materials by means of radio frequency ('RF').
This master patent controls the group of patents that were the subject of this
case and no commercial exploitation of the patented technology is permissible
without the consent of BioProgress.
The Court also found that discussions between BioProgress and Stanelco in the
summer of 1998 were subject to confidentiality. The Judge held that because
Stanelco had misused information given to them in confidence by BioProgress,
Stanelco had breached an obligation of confidence owed, by founding their own
family of patents and patent applications to the technology based on
BioProgress' core inventive concept.
There will now be a further hearing to determine the mechanism of transfer of
ownership of the main patent to BioProgress, together with all other patents and
patent applications worldwide which are derived from the original main patent
filing. In addition, the Court will be asked to assess the damages to be
awarded to BioProgress for Stanelco's misuse of BioProgress' confidential
information.
Graham Hind, CEO of BioProgress, said: 'This judgement validates the position we
have taken during the proceedings. The technology will strengthen significantly
our position in the global encapsulation market and adds significant revenue
earning potential to our SWALLOTM. liquid capsule technologies.
'By combining the intellectual property in this patent with our existing
technologies, BioProgress will now be able to deliver an even more
cost-effective, product enhancing, animal free solution to the encapsulation of
liquids which is a truly large global market.'
- Ends -
bosley
- 01 Oct 2004 11:11
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at least now its over . i will be buying more at these prices because they wont be down here for too long . i would imagine seo will be making positive announcements soon to counter this . either that or they will let it all settle for a while . either way i can only see positives from now on . anybody got any other opinions?
bhunt1910
- 01 Oct 2004 11:14
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Can someone please explain what impact this court case could have on SEO - Does the ruling impact the packaging side of things??? - Thanks
bosley
- 01 Oct 2004 11:20
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no its only the medical side , as far as i can see.
"In a 100 per cent victory in a dispute with Stanelco Fibre Optics Limited,
BioProgress Technology Limited, a wholly owned subsidiary of BioProgress plc
(LSE: AIM: BPRG), has been awarded outright ownership of the master patent that
gives it exclusive worldwide rights to the process of making capsules from non-
gelatin materials by means of radio frequency ('RF')."
my reading is that "capsules" are tablets , not packaging.
ptholden
- 01 Oct 2004 11:22
- 82 of 27111
Bosley,
From what I have read, SEO have moved onto other things so largely the verdict is perhaps irrelevant in the longer term. In the short term the SP is getting / going to get hammered, picking the bottom will have good rewards IMHO. Unfortunatley this will still hang around for a while as the matter of compensation is still to be settled.
All IMHO of course.
regards
PTH
bosley
- 01 Oct 2004 12:11
- 83 of 27111
i dont think compensation will be too much apart from costs as i dont think seo were making any money from capsule technology. thinking about it , they could still use the technology but pay bprg a license fee.
bosley
- 01 Oct 2004 12:31
- 84 of 27111
nice to be right. not as bad as we all thought . so happy i jumped back , and also jumped in today. here is seo,s response.
Stanelco plc
High Court rules Stanelco entitled to 2 patent families
Stanelco Fibre Optics Limited ('SFOL'), a subsidiary of Stanelco plc, and
BioProgress Technology Limited ('BioProgress') had a brief period of interaction
during 1998. Five years after the interaction ended BioProgress sent SFOL a
letter before action claiming that it was entitled to three families of patents
owned by SFOL relating to the formation of capsules and also that SFOL had
breached confidence. During October 2003 SFOL initiated High Court proceedings
against BioProgress and the case was heard in the High Court in July of this
year.
The outcome of the litigation has been that SFOL has succeeded in confirming
that it is solely entitled to two of the three patent families (including SFOL's
patent family for making capsules using a rotary die process which is the most
commercially significant application for capsule manufacture) and jointly
entitled to two of the claims of the other patent family. The remaining claims
of this patent family have been found to belong to BioProgress. The Court has
also found in BioProgress' favour in relation to part of its claim for breach of
confidence by virtue of SFOL's use of certain information as the basis for its
patent applications.
Commenting on the court's decision, Stanelco Chief Executive Ian Balchin said
'We are obviously pleased to have won outright on our entitlement to two of the
three patents families. We disagree with the court's reasoning in relation to
the remaining issues. However, we believe that we have good prospects of
appealing the court's decision and this is the course we will be following.
Stanelco's business has continued to develop since the action was brought, with
a number of new applications for our RF technology - which do not rely upon
these patents. These include food tray lidding, which now represents a very
significant part of Stanelco's future projected revenues.'
A full copy of the Judgment will be available in due course from the Court's
website at
http://www.courtservice.gov.uk/judgments/judg_home.htm
AdieH
- 01 Oct 2004 13:50
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Wouldn't believe all you read just yet...
bosley
- 01 Oct 2004 14:16
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i agree. maybe bprgs victory isnt all it seems adie
AdieH
- 01 Oct 2004 15:58
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Lol, I mean the other way CEO of SEO is making sweeping statement, the master patent has been awarded to BPRG not SEO so any associated patents would be under the control of BPRG not SEO. We will have to wait and see I am a holder of BPRG but considering jumping into SEO also, will wait and see first.
willfagg
- 01 Oct 2004 16:45
- 88 of 27111
Until we know the impact of the damages its difficult to know what to do. I woulod think SEO would want to move this to a rapid conclusion. I baled out yesterday but will be back in when I know the extent of the damage
bosley
- 01 Oct 2004 18:01
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to be honest adie , i'm not arsed. as far as i am concerned this isnt what seo is about . the packageing side is what got me interested . anything else is a bonus. it looks like this side of seo is safe .and that is good news to me.
AdieH
- 01 Oct 2004 18:05
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Fair do I may join once the full details have been released regarding compensation etc etc, Good luck to all holders anyway.
bosley
- 01 Oct 2004 18:28
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cheers adie. dont leave it too late
sheny24
- 01 Oct 2004 19:24
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I certainly would consider an investment in SEO a very risky proposition, the management in my opinion are to say the least totally incompetent and should resign after this debacle . I most certainly would not risk one penny of my money in this company until the management or at least the CEO decide to do just that.
andysmith
- 01 Oct 2004 21:48
- 93 of 27111
Bosley,
BPRG thread has comment from Citywire advising stay clear of Stanelco, can't see how this affecte the packaging patents though. I hope they don't appeal and just draw a line under it and move on.
What do you think?
Interesting that after a nose-dive some people were buying in, don't know aht to do right now, stay put, buy more or bale at next best opportunity?
Bones
- 01 Oct 2004 22:30
- 94 of 27111
The risk here I think is not whether the packaging side is unaffected but whether the company can stand the cost of any damages that might be awarded for its breach of confidence in 1998. That has led to SEO obtaining a major contract with a giant company, RP Scherer/Cardinal (creating the Ingel JV), business acquired with BPRG's ideas, now ruled in law to have belonged to them and not SEO. In summary, does SEO have the assets? No wonder they say they will appeal, but is it a fruitless exercise? SEO will have to pay the costs of appeal to start with.
I have read that the main beef (no pun intended) of the BPRG board is that when SEO used the ideas gained under a confidentiality agreement, BPRG was strapped for cash and looked close to going under. It is speculated on BPRG discussion boards that SEO were hoping they would disappear and have a clear run. Certainly it is not out of character judging by the outrageous Isracaps RNS and now this "victory" RNS issued today.
bosley
- 02 Oct 2004 13:04
- 95 of 27111
hello andysmith. just read the bprg thread and the citywire release.its all getting a bit confusing . like you , i hope a line can be drawn under it and seo can move on . i also dont think bprg will want an appeal as they are going to be busy with the usa tour.so maybe its just a bit of sabre rattling by seo
to get a better deal out of the outcome.but i really think they should concentrate on the packaging side of things . such a bright future if they do .
there is also another way out and thats a take over.but thats just a little fantasy......