Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I don't know why your all being so pessimistic.

We are are leaving in March 2019 , we will decide who we let in , the ECJ will no longer have any jurisdiction over us and we will be out of the single market.

Offering 20 mil for a 2 year transition period keeps all her party on side , gives Labour and other remoaners less leverage and sorts a massive problem out for the EU.

Now if they want to turn the offer down then it's there fault we walk away with no deal not ours and they won't see a penny of the 20 mil.

I'd prefer her to just split from the eu in 18 months time but the hand she was dealt at the last election makes her at least to show willing on a compromise thanks to the remoaners.

we are coming out , deal or no deal is not in our hands and never has been and still wouldn't be surprised or disappointed to see us walk out of talks in a year or so time and tell them to feck it.

You need to be careful Dil or some on here will be calling you a little Englander but I agree entirely with you analysis. Did you see O'Jeremy trying to evade questions from Andrew Marr
on whether he would support Len in taking, what for now, would be illegal strikes?

Must remember to stock up on bin bags, body bags and petrol for the generator this Winter.

I am more concerned about what they can do now about restricting non EU migrants and the like. Including Irish travellers who are a law unto themselves.

Second Brexit referendum needed because Leave voters are dying off, Nick Clegg suggests.

So that's the plan, delay it long enough and all the pensioners will have died off. To be replaced by new pensioners of course but that is too much for Cleggy to take in. We might be suffering from dementia but we are not stupid, ye know.

I think there's more chance of Dilbert being called a Little Sheep Sh@gger than a Little Englander, Martini. :o)

A reasonable summary, even if many won't like the conclusions.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/23/mrs-may-falsehoods-and-fantasies-designed-only-to-keep-her-party-together

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so then, the far right in germany has done even better than predicted
the ramifications of this are hard to judge, though for sure merkel's tenure will be more fragile, and perhaps significantly so ..... nor should the implication for the eu and the brussels "cosy club" be forgotten ..... perhaps some interesting and uncomfortable times ahead there


anyway, all the above cannot augur well for DAX at least for the short term
as i sit here in boston airport, i'm happy to be short

Holidaying in Boston Lincolnshire these days eh, my my how the mighty have fallen 😀

Immigration to fall by hundreds of thousands as the UK becomes less attractive

Border control might be less busy as fewer EU citizens want to move to the UK anyway
The Telegraph - Tim Wallace - 24 SEPTEMBER 2017 • 6:46PM

Annual immigration into the UK is expected to fall by 100,000 even if a smooth deal is agreed very quickly in the Brexit talks, according to economists at Bank of America Merrill Lynch (BAML) as a stronger eurozone economy encourages EU workers to stay put.

Even in the highly unlikely event that Brexit did not take place, the bank argues that as the poor economic conditions that were once driving workers to seek jobs in the UK have now been replaced by stronger conditions at home, the UK would be less attractive to economic migrants.

The weak pound has also made working in the UK less of an option as sterling translates into fewer euros and other continental currencies, though the British jobs market has remained strong – unemployment is at its lowest level in 42 years.

As net immigration has been running at more than 300,000 per year, the estimates would mean several hundred thousand fewer workers available in Britain over the coming years.

A more dramatic change to migration rules for EU citizens could mean the Government hits its target of cutting annual net migration to 100,000, which BAML refers to as a potential outcome from a “hard Brexit”.

If net immigration meant the UK missed out on 350,000 people by 2022, that could impact on the economy, the analysts said.

Treesa doing what she does best (not a lot)


https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/britain/ukip-wants-nigel-farage-back-claiming-may-has-betrayed-brexit/

good morning all ...... now in portugal
DAX indicating a weak opening, rather as i thought it would :-)

As an aside, I've recently detected a changed attitude at two of my local 'EU citizen staffed' car wash businesses, in that they don't quite seem to care about doing a good job as much as they used to do. This has resulted in me kicking, not only my regular business into touch but also the one I had then changed to as well.

Maybe it's to do with the GBP exchange rate conversion back into Euros and so the staff are being treated less well?

And maybe the bosses, in turn are having some trouble getting staff?

Whatever. But for the moment I am buying a lesser service and doing some of the stuff myself (ie. some of the interior).

We need Farage now more than ever .

What coloured shirts are you going to wear?

answer... you choose

but not Bloody RED

Tusk gloating as Teresa bends the knee.

Come on Teresa man up!

M , Tusk , Barnier et al will change their tune now Merkel has got a kick up the ass.

Odds on to be quietly retired after taking the sh*t for whatever deal we end up with.

What pisses me off about Barnier is his constant 'we don't know what they are proposing' speeches.

How about those feckers proposing something !

The whole thing is a mess...roll on the "informed" Referendum.