This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

I believe that Bush and Blair consider themselves Christians and the Israeli Prime minister calls himself a Jew.

All went to war and committed murder with GOD ON THEIR SIDES.

I don't think it is the GOD or the religion that is the problem but the abuse that leaders make in the name of religion.

My feeling is that when eventually we withdraw from Iraq we will leave behind chaos and a more unstable Middle East.

I also think that Israel should be made to pay financial retribution for the Atrocities the committed in Lebanon. Also they should be compelled use their personnel to clear the clusters bombs and unexploded armaments they have left.

Iraq and Lebanon will be the legacy of Blair and Bush.

It is good to see at last there are some in the labour party with the moral courage to call for his departure. I hope sooner rather than later.

Monday would do.

Fred, I believe we agree on the third line!!
Got to say though that the Irael problem goes back before Blair was in power. before he was born in truth!!!
Alan

then it's agreed...lets declare war on the ultimate terrorist: GOD and those that allegedly represent him.

I feel better already.
:-))))) lol

Blessed are the meek, oh shut up big nose!!

well if it's good enuoght for je-hovah


when in rome.........
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Yeah, but you trod on my bloody foot.
And you're eating my juniper berries!!!

your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries.
organic and packed in biodegradeable packaging- obviously not the hamster...that would be cruel and stupid.

Gee!

C'mon fred, look on the bright side of life!!

Somalia's Islamic rulers shut down radio station for playing love songs
Sunday September 10, 2006
By SALAD DUHUL
Associated Press Writer
MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) Islamic militants controlling much of southern Somalia shut down a radio station Sunday for playing love songs and other music, the latest step to impose strict religious rule which has sparked fears of an emerging, Taliban-style regime.

Since sweeping to power over much of southern Somalia, including the capital Mogadishu, in June, the Islamists have banned movie viewing, publicly lashed drug users and broke up a wedding celebration because a band was playing and women and men were socializing together.

The group closed Radio Jowhar because the programs were un-Islamic, Islamic official Sheik Mohamed Mohamoud Abdirahman said. It was the only radio station in Jowhar, some 55 miles from Mogadishu.

``It is useless to air music and love songs for the people,'' Abdirahman said.

Said Hagaa Ahmed, Radio Jowhar's director, confirmed the station had been closed but declined further comment.

The Islamic militants have brought a semblance of order to Somalia after years of anarchy.

But the United States accuses the Islamic leaders of harboring al-Qaida militants responsible for deadly bombings at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

Jowhar resident Ali Musse said closing the radio station was a violation of freedom.

``This directive is like the Taliban,'' Musse told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. ``It is censorship against independent media and freedom of expression.''

The hardline Islamic Taliban rulers of Afghanistan banned secular music, art, television, and education for girls before they were overthrown by a U.S. invasion in late 2001.

Somalia has not had a police force or judiciary for 16 years since the warlords overthrew longtime dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991 and then turned on each other, carving much of the country into armed camps ruled by violence and clan law.

Somalia has a weak transitional government set up two years ago with U.N. backing, but it has been unable to assert its authority beyond Baidoa, 150 miles northwest of Mogadishu, and could only watch helplessly as Islamic militants seized the capital in June.

(Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

Let us not loose sight of the fact that USA and UK without approval from the UN declared war on Iraq not because Saddam Hussein was a bad man but because Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that SH was colluding with Alquaida and could attack Britain within 45 minutes. Oil was never an issue to the Big Texan.

The attack was with the approval of the UN and it was because Saddam was not allowing full and free inspection and was believed to hold or be developing WMD.
Not quite the same as you wrote. Deposing him was just a bonus, that to my mind justified everything that happened anyway.
Alan

hear hear alan.

SH played a game, he gambled that the west would fold again. This time they never and he lost. The WMD he had or never had, are really irrelevant, he deicded to imply that he did and as a result he got what he deserved.

will the west fold against Iran????????? are they making WMD, according to the US AND GB most definately., they have great record of knowing dont they???

Will Iran learn an important lesson from Saddam?
World stability cannot be threatened nor held to ransom.

and conversly America should have learnt A LESSON from korea/vietnam/somalia/iraq1/iraq2 etc.
(only playing devils advocate)

You can't predict the actions of people who are baarking mad as in the nutters running iran/N KOrea etc

Or are Bush and Blair barking mad. They have denied reality and dreamt up figments of their own imagination.

Blair even now is once again deluded in his thinking (beliefs) that he is a positive attribute to the labour party and this country while the majority of party members and the public (other than the Tories) are saying resign.

I think there is as much madness in America and Britain as the Middle East.

Some are decrying the standards of the Middle East but at the same time supporting America and British imprisonment on false grounds and torture, perhaps even murder of those imprisoned.

Is this the supposed standards that democracies wish to export to the world.
Perhaps we should examine our own records more carefully and correct some our own actions.

To be fair, fred, I don't know what part of the world you live in, but my kids don't go to bed at night, frightened of the knock on the door and mummy getting dragged away because she wore lipstick, or daddy being forced to drink petrol and then being shot to see if he'd explode, for disagreeing with someone over religion.
Once again, we are in great danger of allowing massive and intolerable atrocities because we are not perfect ourselves.
To suggest that we do nothing until we are free from sin ourselves is to absolve ourselves of any responsibility around the world, and allow carnage on a grand scale anywhere a Saddam or a Gadaffi or a Mugabe can rule with fear.
I cannot morally or politically subscribe to that view point. We can take it as far as not allowing a policeman to arrest for a crime, because he once got a speeding ticket. None of us are perfect, but you cannot begin to compare the lands of the UK and USA with those of iraq, iran etc.
Alan

TV program last night on this subject.

If it was accurate the U.S had Osma Bin Laden in thier sights but couldnt get authority to get him, this was well before 9/11. The operation was set with troops in place to arrest him.
No one wanted to take responsibility is case things went wrong. The final reason for not going ahead was the fact that women and children were in the area. Remember this was a troops on the ground operation not a bombing mission.
This is typical of the modern governments. Although I dont want to see woman and children hurt in any way, sometimes you have to take a chance.

Watched the program. have to agree. Got the distinct impression, tackling terrorism was very low on agenda. Looking good in public and shagging secretary was further up agenda than world peace. When did respond was botched and made to look even less competent. Made Bin laden into a 'folk' hero and left Northern alliance dead in water.
Politicians want shooting.