Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

secession will not happen for a very long time, but the grotesque heavy-handed police intervention, as instructed by the gov't, was unbelievably stupid and unwarranted

The hordes who didn't vote, weren't 'frightened' in the slightest. They simply don't have the appetite for independence, and I'd suggest that they're bored with it all. Their actions are reminiscent of those twats in the UK Labour party who seem to think that it's OK to lie through the skin of their teeth, and throw their toys out of the pram when things don't go quite to plan. Vis-a-vis the Labour activist scum who think it's acceptable to protest with violence outside the Tory conference - they need to get a life.

Support for Catalonia independence peaked at 49% around 4 years ago (during a prior 'illegal' referendum), and has been on the wane ever since. My 36% figure may give or take a couple of percent, but it's a reasonably accurate reflection nonetheless. Catalonia may have the highest regional Spanish GDP, but that's only because they're heavily subsidised by central government. Other than that, they import regionally far more than they export, and unemployment runs at 22%. This is Club Med, after all said and done, and the real money is made in Madrid and invested elsewhere.

Seriously, they're fcuked, and they need to wake up and smell the coffee. Notwithstanding, they're nice people, they're proud of their heritage, and it's a very nice place to go (aside from the 'tourists go home garbage'). However, their illegal referendum really is a non-event, which will soon be forgotten about for a few more years.

Martini,

Happy to disappoint you!

But it is nice to have company in my disappointment of myself.


8-)

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Mental RSI,

I asked before, are you an illegal immigrant? Because, aside from your c+p's, you sure as hell don't talk English.

Hils , less than 50% of those eligible to vote in Wales voted for a Welsh Assembley.

The vote for Brexit was by less than 50% of those elegible to vote.

Were those referendums legal, Dil? And with binding results?

Legal or not it doesn't change the fact that the percentage of those who voted for independence in Catalonia can't be that far short of those who voted for it in Wales and many supporters of it were stopped from voting.

Just pointing out that it was no small minority who voted in favour.

With regards to Brexit, the binding results question is what we are all still asking. Many on the other side of the issue like to preface their argument with "the people that voted out didn't vote for ... fill in the blanks. Fantasizing nincompoops.
Leaving after so many years is not straightforward - with the EU it is like getting involved in a street brawl - but it shouldn't be as difficult as this Government is making it.

As Nike say ... just do it.

"but it shouldn't be as difficult as this Government is making it."

Is that attempting to negate what is?

? wishful thinking of children.

You mean those children who lost the vote Fred and still think the UK is going to stay in the EU ?

Dream on , more chance of Cardiff City being in Europe than the UK come March 2019.

No Dil.

Those who did not foresee the difficulties of renegading from the EU and agreed commitments appear to me lacking awareness of the difficulties and the possible or probable responses to future "dealings" with members of the EU.

Also, pumping out one's chest and shouting the "odds" does not improve the deals you are likely to get or efficiency in negotiating them.

But it is likely to increase reticence in trusting in future dealings with the UK. Companies etc. will prefer deals with companies within the EU rather than a dog barking on the outside of its Rules and Regulations.

"Farewell friends" comes to mind in both meanings of the expression.

But that barking dog imports (from the EU) far more than it exports to it.

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2517,

Check the % of "trades" with individual country's economies.

UK is less important to the "individual states of the EU" than the EU State to the UK.

Fred, exports account for 44% of EU GDP against 28% for the UK. You only have to look at the motor industry to see how important the UK is to the EU

Dil,

You may well be right. If it is 36% who want independence, then there'd need to be a turnout in the event of a legal referendum of probably 75% or more for the remain camp to win on that basis. That could be touch and go.

However, when you have an illegal referendum, the only people who actually get out of bed and turn out to vote are those who want something out of the process. To everybody else, it's just a pointless excercise.

Mental RSI,

You've already been banned once, and you seem to be going the right way towards being banned again. For the record, Mental is just one of several names I have for you. Moronic and Deranged are a couple of the others.

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