Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

But that barking dog imports (from the EU) far more than it exports to it.

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2517,

Check the % of "trades" with individual country's economies.

UK is less important to the "individual states of the EU" than the EU State to the UK.

Fred, exports account for 44% of EU GDP against 28% for the UK. You only have to look at the motor industry to see how important the UK is to the EU

Dil,

You may well be right. If it is 36% who want independence, then there'd need to be a turnout in the event of a legal referendum of probably 75% or more for the remain camp to win on that basis. That could be touch and go.

However, when you have an illegal referendum, the only people who actually get out of bed and turn out to vote are those who want something out of the process. To everybody else, it's just a pointless excercise.

Mental RSI,

You've already been banned once, and you seem to be going the right way towards being banned again. For the record, Mental is just one of several names I have for you. Moronic and Deranged are a couple of the others.

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25,

44%/27

28%/1

Here you go Fred, this little graph tells you all you need to know:



https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

Catalans Challenge Spanish Authority With Large General Strike

Catalonia's nationalists mounted a fresh challenge to Spanish authority over the region with a general strike Tuesday that paralysed Barcelona and several motorways, but stayed peaceful.

The protest was called after Catalan authorities accused police of injuring 893 people, including four taken to hospital, as they attempted to suppress Sunday's unauthorized independence referendum, seizing election materials from schools and other public buildings....

humiliation
.......... However, the climate is getting nastier for Spanish police officers. An extra 10,000 were deployed in Catalonia ahead of the referendum, but after Sunday's clashes, many of them face open hostility from the local population.

Starting Monday, hundreds of officers were evicted from their hotels, after crowds assembled outside. "We do not want hotels in Callella to turn into barracks," said the mayor of Calella, one of the cities where confrontations took place, Montserrat Candini.

Lets do it if there no take an give .........

Britain is ready to walk away with no deal on Brexit, Davis says

MANCHESTER, England, Oct 3 (Reuters) - Britain wants to negotiate a Brexit agreement with the European Union, but is ready to walk away with no deal, Brexit minister David Davis said on Tuesday, warning that any error in the talks could cost them billions of pounds.

At the annual conference of the Conservative Party, Davis told members the government did not want to fail in the talks to unravel more than 40 years of union, but officials were "contingency planning" to make sure all scenarios were covered.

British Prime Minister Theresa May has tried to unblock the talks with EU leaders, after they stalled over disagreements on the final divorce bill, by making concessions on the role of the European court and the financial settlement.

But earlier on Tuesday, the European Parliament passed a non-binding motion calling on EU leaders to conclude at a summit on Oct. 19-20 that Brexit talks had not made sufficient progress to justify opening trade negotiations with Britain.

"On the negotiating front, we are aiming for a good deal. And that is what we expect to achieve. However, if the outcome of the negotiation falls short of the deal that Britain needs we will be ready for the alternative," Davis said.

"That is what a responsible government does. Anything else would be a dereliction of duty."

Davis, who said Britain was nearing agreement with the EU on citizens rights - one of three issues to be settled in the first round of negotiations, criticised the main opposition Labour Party for having an unclear position on Brexit

"This is the most complex negotiation you could imagine, where one oversight, one error could cost the taxpayer billions of pounds," he said.

Johnson is now on and getting some applause

Right Mark1, Put those figures as %sof individual GDPs.

Why, are they all leaving the EU?

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Good on Dave Davies , tell them that if we can't reach an agreement we will walk ,they are making things so difficult .

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Hils , less than 26% of registered voters voted for the Welsh Assembley.

Brexit was around 37% of registered voters I think.


Legal or illegal , if the result can be believed then in a legal referendum it is probable that leave would win even if the turnout was around 80% imo.

Brexit Is Going Just Like a Divorce

I am having the books
I will have the dog

you are not, you have never taking him for a walk
but I give him plenty of cuddles

Dil,

I think you may have your Brexit 3 and 7 round the wrong way.

It was actually 72.2% turnout (although 52% of that = 37% of the registered vote, so maybe that's what you meant?). The Scottish Independence referendum had about 84% turnout (of which 44.7% voted yes to independence), and I suspect a legal Catalonia referendum might be close to that figure because of its emotive nature, so the Catalans may need well over 40% of the popular vote to secede in the event of a legal referendum.

I've no idea why the Welsh Assembly turnout was low, but I wouldn't be surprised if many voters mistook the polling booths for lambing pens. :o)