Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

grannyboy

You missed the colon (:) out of the URL address. I wonder, therefore, if you do not know how to 'Copy and Paste'?

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10404/france-no-go-zones

MoneyAM have also provided a really neat tool for assisting posters in the provison of a 'URL address link'. The tool is indicated above the posting box as a link in a chain symbol ()

A 'left click' on it opens it up for you to use.

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Troops to be deployed on Britains streets...

These islamist scum who the authorities are supposed to be aware of should
be rounded up and put in camps if they are unable to find out which shithole they
came from, instead of being free to walk the streets with bombs strapped to
their backs.

It tells you all you need to know when this is what is happening, that not being
able to go about our free way due to those from the intolerant religion..

Thank you EL, i'l give it a try.

why not round them all up into wembley stadium and then machine gun them all? ....... or perhaps just let the millwall and chelsea supporters at 'em?

In the main we Brits are a tolerant race, we have accepted peoples from around the world who wish to settle here, and generally we get on with them and vice versa, and we integrated, within these people there were always a minority who caused trouble whether it was gang culture/drugs/vice, but they did not prevent the majority of us from getting on with our lives.

Unfortunately that cannot be said of the minority of Muslims who are intent on killing and harming as many of us as they can, there is no way that they will integrate they want to destroy us. I feel that there has been enough joining hands, strong words and outpourings from our politicians, (and other Western governments).

Manuel,

Did you mean Gallstone site?

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Don't like what chelsea or millwall.

Shoot them as well.

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2517,

It is a pity we invaded their countries in the first place and imbued them with "British standards" or "morality".

I know quite a few who pertain to being Christians and I wouldn't like to shake hand with them.

Have to count my fingers afterwards.

A couple of mornings ago, the door-bell rang.

"I wonder if we could take a few minutes of your time to talk with you about the love of God?"

"No. I'm sorry to have to tell you, that we are atheists in this house."

I would suppose, that the two callers, one being an immaculately groomed, very neatly dressed, sorta, kinda, 'managerially-styled' guy and the other a much younger female, very smart companion, were Jehovah's Witness Crusaders.

Do they do any harm? I would suppose not - but that's only if you stay on the surface of this organisation. Delve a bit deeper and the mechanics of a massive, very strict, very demanding set-up with terrible punishments for those who don't follow the prescribed ways, begins to be revealed.

They are ruled by very powerful senior people and their church has to sustain itself with the very thing that God does not provide. ie. Money. I suppose I’m wrong, but I do feel, that’s what their ‘crusading’ is all about’. Namely getting new church members, growing the organisation and swelling its coffers.

One would suppose the followers are mostly 'morally good'. So, what's the harm in it?

And very much the same with most other religions. They do preach a lot of good morality so you can't easily 'knock them'.

And if, as a politician, you don't illustrate whilst you are campaigning, that you are somehow 'morally good' or belong to the 'morally good camp', then you are not going to get very far. Common sense, isn't it? Quite 'hypocrital' too, isn't it? As we watch these politicians and similar doing their 'election thingies', they may easily appear to some to be ‘two-faced bar stewards' but to others they are definitley showing a membership of the ‘good morals code camp’. (eg. I'm thinking of Trump and his 'ladies' in their designer dresses and conventional veils and similar and similar and similar, when these types of people visit the Pope).

So why are my wife and I atheists?

Well, we watch a bit of TV, you know. We also watch a fair few YouTube clips as well. We watch programmes with the likes of Stephen Hawkin and Richard Dawkin in them and professing what they know to be common sense and reason, all backed up with scientific fact and with mysticism completely stripped out of it. These guys prove the universe created itself and that a 'creator god' wasn't required for it to happen. They explain , how scientifically, it just happened in a process which we call 'big bang'.

So, as there was never a need for a god. Neither is there a use for one for anything else either. And neither can there be an 'afterlife' or any way of getting one. They explain, how when you die you just cease to be. This is extremely hard to accept, if you aren’t a very strong, self-reliant sort of person. If you are the sort of person who really does need to have a lot of ‘hope’ in your life, then all of this and its implications is almost impossible to accept.

Many, many people ask, "What is the purpose of life?"

I ask, "Why should life have to have a purpose?" I just accept, that like any other form of life on this planet, I just happen to be here. As a life form with a consciousness, I try to make the very best of it and also, I try to appreciate lots about it, too. I will be so sorry when it has to end. So sorry, that I don’t want that to ever happen. I really do try to value it very highly and I would hope to remind and persuade others to feel the same.

Because people ask the 'purpose question' along come others, usually those originating from the heads of all the different churches out there, to provide an answer. It's usually to do with 'gaining an after-life when you die'. They then usually say, you can only get the ‘after-life’ bit if you belong to ’OUR Church’. They would have you suppose, that all other churches and religions have ‘got it wrong’.

I think the ‘purpose question’ is a fallacy - as are the answers. Both sides of it are quite daft.

I think that people should be asking, "What are the best ways I can live my life?"

All in all, I'd like all religions to completely collapse. But I do strongly see a need to put something back in their place.

Perhaps a 'Universal Creed'? Hmmm? Whatever. That’s the hard bit.

You can’t take something so important away, without putting something similarly important back in its place.

I do strongly believe, that the destruction of all religions is the key and provides the absolute solution to ending religious terrorism.

The trouble with the EU ( germany ) is that it has a goal to reach , like in a war where you have to take an enemy position , it has to be done regardless of life / death . The EU want bodies in Europe , and are prepared for their own citizens to die in order to get what is required . Any decent government would halt all migrants coming in to protect their own people but Merkel says they continue to come and that's an order .

Exec,

What is the difference between believing in yourself to be "right" or believing in a "god" which is right and justifies your "beliefs"?

The latter can be "thought" out, or "accepted".

I don't think the conclusion of your argument would be correct.

Fred

We are each free to believe what we want.

The question, 'Did God create the universe?' makes no sense.

Before the 'big bang' time did not exist. Therefore there was no time for a god to create the universe.

This leads to a profound realisation:

There is no god and no one directs our fate. There is probably no after-life either.

Thus we have one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe. I for one am not alone in being extremely grateful for the life and the experiences that I am able to have.

To me, religious terrorism, such as is practiced and glorified by ISIS, makes no sense.

Here is a clip to a simple and quite brief YouTube piece by Professor Stephen Hawkins which has influenced my own thinking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L7VTdzuY7Y

Maybe we are living in a virtual reality Universe ?

Who made big bang?

Or what made the big bang

Exec,

I will try to be brief as I can.

“How” and “why” for me are sometimes imponderable questions, which I first asked myself when I was about 12 years old when I realised I was an atheist. God and various religious practices didn’t make sense to me.

On the last discussion on religion, I had with my father he made the statement that he believed because it gave him a reason for “being” and believed it help him to “governed” his “actions”. I saw no reason to argue with him again and we respected our differences.

I think “religions” are often used as totem poles to for people to congregate around and identify groups.

Religions, I think have been responsible for what I see as developing “civilization” and reasonable “social behaviour” of the majority and probably done more “good” (what feels good to me or you) than harm. Introduced by “leaders” to give a “group” or “society” “morals” or “codes of practice” to live reasonably equitably together. Initially throwing in a “magical powers” of a “god” to gain acceptance and conformity and “control” of their group and explanation of the reason for being.

But it can be a double-edged sword in many ways.

ISIS uses Islam, similarly to the IRA whipping up the “enthusiasm” of Christianity (Catholic variety). Jewish religious justification of superiority to the Arabs. Various practices by members of various groups of Christian sects in relationships within the family relationships to wives and superiority of rights in their “tribe”. Again, much of this is probably due to the culture and its development in the environment where the groups and sects developed.

It seems to me that “religion and religious beliefs” are becoming less “powerful” as “secular” ideas or concepts of society becomes more acceptable. With successes and failures according to your own positioning.

The power of the religious organisation being replaced the power of the state and the power of those in charge of the state.

Was communism a religion or political ideology. Is there any difference?

I would not like to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Or it could be that people are easily led and that a certain type of human realises this and uses his ability to control , for good or bad .

The thing that gets me is what's outside of all this Universe does it end anywhere , how can it just go on and on . and on .

Don't get in to that VIC it will make my head hurt .

Yes jimmy I do watch some progs on it but it's so mind blowing i switch over .

cc

the conservative party will not give out who they say are wealthy pensioners .
in my view any one on less than 20k is far from wealthy does not even cover the living wage