Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

It is good to see T May choking on what she has just spoken!

Also to see Johnson's supporters clapping.

8-)

Prankster Simon Brodkin hands Theresa May P45 in the middle of her speech, saying 'Boris asked me to give you this'


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/04/boris-wanted-give-stage-invader-hands-may-p45-form/

Fred, even the most ardent supporters acknowledge that the Tory Party have disappointed the country in many ways, but what is it about Marxism that attracts you.

George
Now don't ask Fred difficult questions,You should know by now that he is a very busy man and can't find the time to answer them.

Define what you mean by Marxism.

But I would not think of myself as a Marxist!

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I was puzzling about the reason why so many are turned of by the present tory party leadership and have come to the conclusion many find them false and insincere about "caring" for "all" while more obviously being self-serving in the same mould as Boris.

Mind there are a few more creeps of a similar ilk gathered around in No 10 awaiting the passing of May. Hoping that they bury the folly of Brexit with her.

Martini,

I wonder earlies about the newspapers which you suggested you perused.

Do you eat a lot of fish and chips and if so were some of those papers their wrapping?

Caring for all in your eyes , that would mean millions of immigrants being allowed into Britain I dare say , just admit you hate the Tories , Freda .

The Tories have got no idea how to engage with the public.

They've gone from the slippery 'Call me Dave' who tried too hard, to Maggie May, who thought she could win an election by not bothering to communicate with the public.

I'm sure that both Cameron and May are very nice people, but that's not the image they portray, I'm afraid.

Think of Corbyn what you might, but he's nailed how to engage with people, and he knows what the public want to hear.

As for a Marxist, I'd have put Fred down as a Liberal. I'm sure I saw him sunbathing naked on Serignan Plage this summer. :o)

Are you on the road to recovery yet hilly?

Well not sure Corbyn has nailed how to engage people when you lie and don't know what you are talking about , I mean really don't know what your taking about , he was a joke . I put it down to Cons ( Mays ) inability to see , hear and listen .

Fred, I believe Merriam-Webster's definition is close to my idea of what Marxism means.

:the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially :a theory and practice of socialism including the labour theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society.

That's not going to work with the Nu Trots!

They have more ex public school people than the tory's.

Hil,.

How dare you attempt to put me down?

I am not old enough yet.

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25,

Is that what Marxism is?

Interesting ideas.

Now my idea of socialism has its attractions:

"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be regulated by and for the community as a whole!".


Surprising to me how much of the latter already happens.

I would prefer my doctor not to have an undertaker as a partner and have that limitation regulated into his contract.





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Victim,

For sure, Corbyn engaged excellently. He knew what to say to the students to get their vote, his election team mastered social media which the Tories didn't, and he got straight down to Grenfell Tower for a photo opportunity.

Fred,

Maybe that's a different type of Liberal. :o)

Hilary you on happy pills .

Fred, Labour voters are more likely to get Marxism as defined above, not socialism as described by you

Yes, Corby knew what to promise to the snowflakes...free stuff, lots of, and then promptly renaged.

25,

Marxism is used as just a "cheep" jibe by limited con artists and just for the birds!

You have to remember that the world, has moved on perhaps leaving you behind, and many in politics are not stuck with the mantra of capitalism to cover over policies of narrow self-interest, which seems attractive to some of the tory party adherents.

Can I hear chants of "bring back the workhouses" or was that "bring back" the poorhouses?

Fred,

It's well known that Corbyn admires the political scene of Venezuela and would like the UK to adopt the same, with that in mind what is your take on the following letter written by CEO's of of Venezuelan companies to the US media.


Venezuela has descended into complete and utter chaos as a result of a brutal, socialist government whose citizens are starving under its tightening grip every day.

Make no mistake, this is a humanitarian disaster and socialist policies are to blame. Venezuela's experiment in Marxism began in 1999. With each passing year, what was once one of the most prosperous countries in Latin America became poorer and poorer. What was once a free country, became repressive. Those who tried to reform the failing policies of the ruling United Socialist Party of Venezuela were brutally repressed, imprisoned and even murdered.

Venezuela's current President Nicolás Maduro and his predecessor, Hugo Chávez follow a long list of brutal dictators including Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong and Fidel Castro who are responsible for more than 100 million deaths. Venezuela is now closer to communism than ever. Communism has been tried in more than 40 countries, and each time results in the worst and widest scale human rights abuses known to man.

We, the undersigned, will not tolerate the obfuscating or whitewashing of the crimes of the socialist regime in Venezuela and the actions of their communist ally, Castro's Cuba which now reportedly has thousands of military advisors participating in the violent treatment and murder of unarmed protestors.