Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

none; i went from school to NZ and Oz where i got all sorts of jobs for about 18 months
when i came back to uk, i admit i went into the family company, but started in the warehouse where the fabrics came in

at least FAR9 posts far more than just charts without comment as some do here

Depends if your mate has kept up with his meds cynic.

not all the time i'm afraid
even so, a number of comments and companies posted are worth further investigation - far from all of them it must be said, but that is often down to personal preference

Fred1new. If we had limited the amount of people coming into the UK, that are a drain on all public services and over and above that the security services - there would not only be full employment but managable health services - schools etc.

Clock.

About 30% of doctors in the NHS are immigrants.

"About 30% of doctors in the N HS are immigrants"

Yes to treat the millions of immigrants that have moved here..

How many immigrants are in UK prisons Freda? This article was published in 2016 has it improved?
Britain's prisons see huge rise in EU convicts at £150million cost to taxpayer

BRITAIN is becoming the EU’s prison island as our jails fill and those in eastern Europe empty.

By MARCO GIANNANGELI, EXCLUSIVE
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sun, Apr 10, 2016 | UPDATED: 09:45, Sun, Apr 10, 2016



The claim comes as shocking figures reveal a 240 per cent rise in EU convicts filing our jails at the cost to the taxpayer of £150million. Meanwhile, prisons in eastern Europe are experiencing a drop in their inmate populations.

Just days ago a landmark European Court of Justice ruling barred member states from sending prisoners back to their EU countries to finish their prison terms if their human rights are threatened there.

The ruling prevented Germany extraditing suspected criminals to their homes in Romania and Hungary because of fears their fundamental human rights would be at risk by the condition of the prisons.

Of the 10,500 foreigners in British jails last year, nearly half – 4,600 – are citizens of other EU countries.

Figures from the Grassroots Out campaign show that the number of EU nationals in prison in England and Wales rose by more than 240 per cent between 2002 and 2014, from 1,763 in 2002 to 4,252 in 2014. The number of Poles in UK jails stood at 867, up 2,000 per cent from 2002.

Romanians numbered 614, up by more than 1,200 per cent, and Lithuanians 542, up by more than 1,000 per cent.

In their countries, however, prison numbers have fallen even more dramatically than UK numbers have risen, with Romania enjoying a 3,882 drop in prisoner figures since it joined the EU. Latvia’s prison numbers have fallen by 3,092 while Poland’s have decreased by 2,997.

In 2013, EU nationals in UK prisons cost the taxpayer more than £147million. Polish prisoners cost the British taxpayer more than £30million, Romanians more than £22million and Lithuanians £17million.

Under an EU prisoner transfer agreement, Britain has the right to repatriate EU member inmates to serve out the remainder of their jail terms. However, up to May last year only 19 EU nationals had been sent back to their home nations in the previous 12 months.

Tuesday’s ECJ ruling has further complicated matters. The cases concerned a Hungarian wanted over a string of burglaries and a Romanian accused of driving infringements, who had been sentenced to 20 months in prison.

Judges in Bremen, where both men were arrested, sought advice from Brussels about extradition. The ruing goes against the core principle of the European Arrest Warrant which guarantees the automatic extradition of suspects.



It will also force British taxpayers to continue to pay to jail some of our most prolific offenders. Ukip deputy leader Paul Nutall said: “These figures represent either an amazing coincidence or, more likely, these countries are emptying their prisons and filling ours up.

“First we are the victims of China’s steel dumping. Now we are the victim’s of eastern Europe’s convict dumping. Britain is clearly becoming the EU’s Alcatraz, a prison island that is filling up with foreign criminals.”

The figures were also blasted by pro-Brexit former Justice Secretary Chris Grayling, who now holds a cabinet position as Lord President of the Council. He said: “Anyone who moves to the UK should have a job or the ability to support themselves.

The problem is too many people are coming here who end up in our criminal justice system and our jails, who shouldn’t be coming here in the first place. “ Referring to the ECJ ruling, he added:

“This proves the European Arrest Warrant isn’t working. We’ve seen people who shouldn’t be taken to other countries being moved over there, while genuine criminals can’t be moved back because of human rights laws.

“The state of their prisons is seen as unacceptable by the courts. It would be absurd if, despite everything were being told, we can’t send back a criminal to eastern Europe on human rights reasons."

A Government spokesperson said:"This government is absolutely committed to removing foreign criminals to their own countries.

"Foreign criminals must be punished, but not at the expense of British taxpayers.

"We will always exploit all options to remove those who have broken laws and abused our country's hospitality."

Criminals have better human rights than their victims .

It is not just the criminals in the prisons, it is the huge volume of perverts, drug dealers etc. the effort and man-power it takes to try to manage what has become almost no-go areas because of the concentration of immigrants in what has almost become self ruled and governed areas in several cities, increasing the need for extra staff in huge areas of most social services and blue collar civil servants.

Depends on whom you are calling criminals.

Landlords or tenants come to mind.

But both should be judged equally under the law.

That is why the ECtHR is so important.

Fred1new - that should include a lot of senior bankers that should be in prision as well, plus a long list of other corrupt individuals from all walks of life that act without decent morals.

Fred loves them all , except he doesn't , he drives through Calais at 100 mph to avoid anyone in so called need.

it will surprise many of you that a good proportion of our top consultants and surgeons etc are of asian extraction and the best theatre nurses are often from the philippines or south africa

Fabulous cynic, no argument and welcome with open arms.

ECHR may have its place, but NOT when it comes to deporting extremists and the like, the classic case of course being abu hamza ..... i confess i give not a toss whether or not they will be tortured or executed if they are returned to their country of origin

i guess in a nutshell, we should listen to any argument put forward by ECHR but at the end of the day, it should be OUR judiciary that decides the plaintiff's fate

Clock,

Agreed.

But nothing a deal with Saudi won't sort out.


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Manuel,

Just the prettiest!

i know i am, but i'm afraid you're too old to take as a lover :-)

Well, I've been thinking about it a fair bit and, with a DUP alliance, TM is actually in about the same sort of position now as she was before the Election.

Before she had a majority of 12.

I think there is one more result to come in but, excluding that, it's as follows:

Now:

Conservative 318
Democratic Unionist Party 10

Total 328

Labour 261
Scottish National Party 35
Liberal Democrat 12
Sinn Fein 7
Plaid Cymru 4
Green Party 1

Total 320

So with the DUP on board, she now has a majority of 8 as against 12 previously.

I think it will be an excellent match. For instance:

The DUP wants to end the supremacy of the EU’s highest court and argues that Britain should regain the freedom to make global trade deals, which would require leaving the EU’s single market — something Ms May also hopes to do.

There are a few differences but they should help the tories soften things up a fair bit, IMHO.

Here's a link to the DUP Manifesto

Is a majority of '8' enough? Hmmm? What do you think?

But..........along comes Kay burley to wreck things! Oh, oh!

https://www.joe.co.uk/news/kay-burley-tory-dup-question-128952