Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Manuel,
You ask what the effects on Brexit will.

At the end of 4years the UK will be not have a seat at the “big tables” in Brussels and Strasbourg.

They will not be able to affect the trading, legal or political rules which effect “trading” in and out of Europe. (Tariffs will be increased to facilitate this trade.

Immigration will be slightly less, as fewer “foreigners” for economic reasons and possibly educational reasons will wish to come to the UK, preferring the ease of movement in the EU block.

“Costs” of “trading” will be higher and be faced with more complicate rules and regulations.

The “balance of trade” argument about EU trade with the UK is important I think is less strong when you consider the proportion of UK export trade with the EU is 45% and 5 and import is 53%.

But you could remember the 53% is divided by the 27 different countries. I.e a smaller effect on the individual country’s economy.

Carrying goods through or around Europe will add to costs.

(IT slightly different and financial trading will be different as can be seen by recent movements in various companies.)
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I think it would be more sensible to be sitting at the “big” tables and chatting, rather than shouting from outside the room.

Mind with Boris and Trump working together we can always rely on our close allies to loan us another couple of billion.

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But of course, the Brexiters will puff out their chest and think any deal is a success, even NO DEAL, which in itself is a DEAL!


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Well us going downhill wouldn't be good for Germany would it , let's be honest they call the shots , they sell us lot's of cars and are cutting in on our shopping habits as i speak ,
heaven knows what next . She's showing a hard line Merkel but she won't want anti German feeling setting in .

We've been paying through the nose to sit at that table Fred and while sat there been unable to make our own deals with anyone else.

Manuel,

meanwhile, corbyn and his puppet-master must be rubbing their hands with glee, though (as with all politicians) primarily for their own ends and agenda rather than for the good of the country

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How much did the referendum cost to hold and what was the effect on the value of the pound which has given a temporary boost to the economy?


What has been the cost of the election to hold.

The costs born by the "hard-working, austerity-struck public" on a politically based whim by and incompetent arrogant, elitist con government. The present conservative party deserves the title of "The Party of Failed Confidence Tricksters".

But it is interesting to see a party so quick and able to turn on its parents and spurn their own responsibility in what can be seen as a failure.

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Would suggest the fitting new leader of the tory party would be Michael Fallon.

A man who could face two ways at once.

Dil,

Not so.

The UK trades all around the world already.

Under €U rules, which cost us dearly.

You ain't seen anything yet!

fred - everyone here has heard ad nauseam what you think about brexit .,.... however, the cards have now been dealt, and subject to some change in stance, that is the hand to be played ..... just accept that as fact

assuredly you have as little idea what the final outcome will be as everyone else

"assuredly you have as little idea what the final outcome will be as everyone else"

That is the stupidity of Brexiters like yourself and those who were jumping for joy on winning a meaningless referendum.

The UK, like or not, is part of Europe and what depends on what happens in the EU.


I think May and cohorts were lousy gamblers and damaged the future of the young of this country.

not exactly as you will be able to remind yourself if you look back
however, unlike you i cannot be bothered to keep repeating myself

btw, TM (perhaps was) is pursuing the wishes of the majority - ie to take uk out of europe
whatever the sabre-rattling (sorry to be repetitive) is is never likely to be the "up drawbridges" that some demanded ..... whatever deal is finally struck, there will still be many who are unhappy, no doubt including you

When will we ever have strong POSITIVE government that knows where it's going and more importantly knows where it taking OUR COUNTRY.

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Fred1new, It was not May that damaged the future of the young in the UK, since WW1 it has been the old that demand the young pay for their lifestyles - high pensions, Heath Care, as they will never vote for anyone that touches their wealth and what they beleive is what they are Entitled too. Free TV - Free Disabled Parking - Free Health Care till they pop their clogs, even if they know nothing about what is going on around them, because they are gone.

Hey wait a sec here, my grandparents worked all their lives and paid up front for the promise made of cradle to grave care.

They diligently paid their monthly contributions as do most of today's older people.

It is hardly their fully that successive governments were staffed by elected buffoons who could only successfully manage fiddling their expenses.

Ask yourself if private hospitals can function profitable then when can't the NHS.

If you knew what you were talking about then you would know that a great majority of NHS recourses are chanelled or as some would say perhaps fiddled is a better word into supporting the private sector.

I know for a fact that many senior NHS consultants are seeing their private patients on NHS time and using NHS resources.

It's not an old people problem it's a general people problem as they walk around with their eyes shut and their Brains switched off.

Somebody is ignoring the vote of the young in this election.

77690 - i am sure my consultant friends would very much beg to differ

I am sure they would, but I believe it to be so.

Another problem is that NHS consultants were trained at the expense of the public purse and then many practice disproportionately at the expense of the NHS in private medicine.

Many don't work their full contractual hours.

but you surmise .... in any case, per your argument, you would claim that anyone who went through state school (the public purse) should not profit and prosper in private industry ..... i'm sure marx and lenin would agree with you

It is proportional!

Cynic my friend, every one should make a profit it's very healthy to do so, but not so at the expense of the less fortunate dependan.

I would love to meet some of your consultant friends as I have taken a number to task in the past together with weak ineffectual hospital trusts CEOs who have turned a blind eye to what can only be construed as a fraud upon the public purse.

That said we must always bear in mind that the public purse is fair game for the corrupt as it is very difficult to get full and proper accountability in place when everyone is milking it..........MPs expenses being one example.