Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

It's not my place to put words into another poster's mouth, but it's my guess that Martini is asking what part of the EU constitution allows for Article 50 to be revoked once it's been triggered.

Personally, I don't think there is anything, meaning that Brexit probably has to happen in March 2019 regardless, and that the only way back into the EU would be via a new application to join after that date.

So, any suggestion of an 'informed' (or any other type of referendum) is mere gobbledegook. In any event, and if it were even possible, revoking Article 50 would strengthen the EU's hand, and weaken the UK's. Game theory says that revoking Article 50 should never even be an option.

Regardless, with a good EU trade deal, and new trade deals elsewhere, the UK should come out of the game marginally ahead, and the EU should come out a fair way behind. The most important thing, however, is that the transition period is used to sign off the new trade deals.

By the way, Fred, it's been 29 degrees here today, which meant an afternoon on my favourite plage. Was that you I saw holding up the 'Zone Naturiste' sign? :o)

Yes Hilary. Thanks I thought I had suddenly started talking in Klingon.

There is a way in that the rest of the EU cold add an article covering this situation but it would need all the other countries to agree and I suspect it would come with lots of penalties for the initial presumption on our part.

Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
'Relax' said the night man,
'We are programmed to receive.
You can check out any time you like,
But you can never leave!'

No, I was sitting on a mountaintop near Dauphin with binoculars.

You looked good.

When I left it was about 30+.

Actually, I like it around that temperature and often played tennis when l younger in it.

I like the area where you are in and stayed in Sete in a beautiful old hotel on the "canal" ? The Grand Hotel.

The hotel seemed to be an image of the France in the 30s.

-=-=-=-

But try and keep your eyes off those bulging biceps, you don't know who they held last.'

A beautiful area from Port Barcarès to the Spanish border and also round the coast deeper into Spain.

Happy memories.

I am probably too old to travel that route again.

The german motor manufacturers are a huffin and a puffin:

This graph shows why:






They're getting the wind up :-)


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/05/german-firms-told-prepare-hard-brexit-heavy-economic-losses

Looks like we are a €uropean dumping ground.

That is what we may end up as!

Back to to avoiding difficult questions and trying to find glib one liners. Pathetic Fred.

It would be interesting to see where things stand at this time within the EU , as Merkel has lost some clout in Germany apparently , she's a bit like May she needs the assistance of other parties now , so maybe she can't throw the EU money around like once , we all know Germany is the boss in the EU , maybe she will have her work cut out keeping home happy .

Never mind the ifs, buts and maybes IMHO... just get the "informed'' Referendum date set.

After all we have read above about re applying , it seems Stan you want to go cap in hand to Brussels and beg for re entry which would be a catastrophe really .

Suggest reading post 7782 and take your thinking a bit further V.

I think you haven't read through .

Silly Stanley .

An interesting read or partial summary:


http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-houseprices-nationwide/london-house-prices-fall-for-first-time-in-eight-years-nationwide-idUKKCN1C40K8?feedType=nl&feedName=ukifa&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=UK%20Finance%20Weekly%202017-10-06&utm_term=UK%20Finance%20Weekly

Stan , I was informed that if I voted out in the Brexit referendum that we old leave the EU and the single market etc. If I voted remain then nothing would change.

That was informed enough for me.

Seems to me it's only the remoaners who didn't get it.

if Catalonia secedes from Spain, what would be the effect on the EU structure?

UK leaving is the start of the end of the EU .

Dil, You were informed enough it seems but I'm talking about the many "millions" who certainly were not informed before the referendum.

All are better informed now after the referendum then they were before.. so roll on the now "informed" referendum.