Thanks Optimist

Think I will stick with dual boot. Its just that on my laptop XP seems slower now, Linux ubuntu runs fine.

Think this explains quite well and confirms what has been said here:

http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326

Not a problem but can anybody recommend a good cheap laptop PC ? (Not HP which I will never buy) Thanks. Budget around 400 - 500 GBP

A while ago I gave up using an old laptop which no longer did plug and play with USB devices. An interchange on this thread eventually forced me to think about re-installing the operating system.

I'd like to use this as a way of exploring Linux. However, I now find it comes in various guises other than Ubuntu - which I thought was the only one.

Before I start I thought I'd check if there were any other Linux enthusiasts around here and, if so, which variant of Linux do they use.

TP

TP

The list is almost endless. Try Googling 'linux distros'.

I have tried a few but prefer OpenSuSe because it is full featured and Windows like and Damn Small Linux because it is a 50 MB distro which will run from a USB drive in RAM on any computer.

The problem with Linux is that although you can do most things with it, many parts have rough edges compared with Windows and it is not as intuitative to use. You also have to to do a lot of configuration from the command prompt.

It's well worth looking at though especially for server applications.

Edit

You can also get Live versions of many distros. these tend to be a bit slow (apart from Damn Small Linux) but they will run from the CD or DVD without touching the hard drive. Very good for testing.

TP - I've used a number of Linux distros over the years, but I've settled on Ubuntu in the last couple of years, because it's arguably the most popular 'consumer Linux' there is, so I feel there are generally fewer compatibility issues, it has a decent repositories, and more support in places like http://ubuntuforums.org/. I've also run Damn Small Linux from a USB drive as a way of accessing the Internet more securely from public computers overseas.

The two main problems with various Linux distros as far as I'm concerned are support for certain hardware can be patchy, and installing certain applications (via 'packages') can sometimes turn into a geek nightmare. If you never run into these issues, all well and good, but if you do, they can be absolute show-stoppers. For example, around three years ago I installed Ubuntu 6 on a Dell Inspiron portable - it wouldn't recognise the built-in wireless and the only way to fix it was to 'recompile the Kernel' - which is about as scary as it sounds. Ubuntu has improved a lot since then, and with the community support there's a lot less chance of having to get your hands dirty when things go wrong, or running into an unfixable problem. For me, right now it comes closest to passing the 'it just works' test, although it different people may have different experiences depending on their equipment.

It's worth testing the CD-based Live versions of various distros. If you just want to see what they look and feel like (it won't guarantee hardware compatibility on a natively installed operating system), you could try a system such as the Mokafive Player, which has a number of distros available as virtual machines (http://lab.mokafive.com/List) (some of these are a bit old now though).

I think I mentioned a while ago that I had a problem with the hard driveon my laptop. It's finally failed this week but, although I can't boot from it, I'm pretty sure that I'll still be able to access it to check that I've not left anything that I need on there.

It's a 2.5" IDE/ATA drive and won't fit the cables on my other machines (so I'm told). There seem to be a variety of gizmos on eBay which act as a sort of adapter which will convert the pins so that they all line up. Some seem to be USB based and others seem to go inside the machine.

Could somebody give me a pointer on the best thing to get please?

Hil, I think you need a drive caddy, I'm busy at the moment but will respond in detail in a few mins.

Don't email me, Flossie, it'll be a few more days yet before I get to see my emails properly. I might even be missing the Viagra spam by then.

:o)

Anyway, I think I've even got it sussed. I've really pushed the boat out and bid on a green think for 99p delivered all the way from Hong Kong.

OK Hiltops, all that work I did for you over the last 30 seconds was in vain. 99p? You know how to push the boat don't you.

Assume it's an IDE drive, the caddy makes the drive behave like a slave. Enjoy :-)

I looked at those caddies after your post, Flossie. It looks like you can pick them up for around a fiver.

My only thought is that the adapter that I've bid on will connect via a cable inside the machine, whereas the caddies (and something else that I looked at too) ran through a USB port. I wasn't sure if the direct connection might be better than the USB connection.

hilary,

Just a word of warning.

I bought two PC's from those Computer Doctor chappies that Exec recommends. The machines were perfect.

Two months on I convinced myself I ought to have the drives mounted in caddies.

They sourced two caddies, put them in both machines and one drive got totally thrashed by the caddie.

CD's were suitably apologetic and I had an Acronis back up of the drive so nothing was lost.

But it shows what a caddy can do..........

No reflection on Com Docs - but there is something inherantly dangerous about caddies it seems.

TP

Thanks TP. It sort of confirms my way of thinking in that these things weren't intended when they were first designed and built to connect via USB.

That's not to say that they don't or won't work - just that USB might not be the best route.

I've used a real cheapo one myself with no problem at all, USB connected. This was an external one with a shell around it.

Hilary

I think that SC was refering to an external drive caddy that you can fit the disk into and convert it to a USB drive. The problem that TP had was with a drive caddy that is mounted into the machine and allows easy removal of the disks (althogugh it did not work for TP).

The one mentioned by SC would do fine as would the adaptor that you posted but you would have to open up your PC for that. A better way would be to buy one of these adaptors that will enable you to connect any drive to the USB port.

on ebay with 6 mins to go

Thanks for that Opti. Opening the machine really isn't a problem anymore since I bought my son a set of screwdrivers for Christmas.

:o)

TheVoid

I believe you were wanting a cheap laptop? At 400-500 or thereabouts?

I found this Sony VAIO on offer at ASDA: Sony Vaio VGN-BX61MN Wireless Laptop

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Re Ubuntu

I put ubuntu on my laptop and an old desktop and it certainly speeded things up on both.

On the downside its a bit nerdy. I have not been able to use multiple monitors, I managed to install java on destop but laptop just wont play ball.

I also am having problems accessing Vista mail on my wifes PC and OE on my main desktop. If I run XP on the Ubuntu partitioned pcs then mail problems disappear.

The help forums seem to be populated by experts who cant communicate with mere mortals like myself. I can install AVG 7.5 but I cant get updates so security is an issue

Whilst linux was fun to play with initially I think I am gradually losing the plot and may end up throwin the baby out with the bath water!!

Hi Hils 7786


I bought a kit a while ago which allows me to use hard drives from old pcs as external hard drives. I works by providing an independent power supply and a hard drive to usb adapter. It worked fine the last time I used it and it is made by sandberg.

If you think it is any use, I can try to find out where I bought it from.