Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

who signed the agreement , who made money out of the contract ,

If anyone or organisation wanted to spend 10million pounds to redesign a block of flats to fail if a fire broke out, then this was an example of how to achieve that end.

you can use the best quality goods but if the people using it are not then it is pointless
the contractors used cheap labour , not tradesmen .all about profit .

itv last week homes being built by non skilled they are unfit to live in cheap labour
from the eu . all their on itv .

I would never allow a non tradesman to do any work for me and would want to see is work . I am lucky I have tradesmen in the family , never advertise they get work by word of mouth

did any of you watch the programme ,

dorren tipton on facebook watch the video bril fab excellent you must watch it.it will make your day

That'll be God, wonderful.

Is's certainly something on the outside of the building , look at the way the flames have spread upwards very quickly , straight up . It won't take much to find out the cause .

the gap behind would act like funnel and that is what has happened not seal on ever level its murder . workers paid by amount not by doing a proper job , its called hit and miss more miss than hit

and for 20 years was a steal erector did the roof on wilfa station that is a solid job ,
will never catch fire , it can not 1967/8

just listening to a person saying how many illegal people may have been in the flats
is unknown , they are a lot of illegals living in London

"they get work by word of mouth" and cash in hand :-)

Burning polystyrene on the facade of a building:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbs7Sl_zNCg

Apparently, there is a strong possibility the fire was started and spread externally from the external polystyrene cladding and that it quickly spread upwards as the cladding fixing method, being spaced away from the external wall, acted like a funnel.

There is also a strong possibility, that there was no internal fire prevention system in the block (sprinkler system) or fire alarm system.

The only fire exit was also the only entrance to the building.

WTF! ???

cynic not ever one works like you . some are honest it sounds like you are not ,

has I sad many times I do not mind paying my tax and think we should all pay a little more like 3p more income tax to pay for our wonderful services

Piers Morgan gives the boss of Rydon (the Grenfell Tower building's main refurbishment contractor) a right grilling:

Rydon boss says he doesn't know what the cladding was made from or even whether the building had a fire prevention system

only a person trying to avoid paying is tax would make a statement on others , it never entered my head

my daughter why did they not call for the army raf to helicopter those at windows out they are trained to do that she is in the raf and her mother was in for 12 years

it should be apart of any incident

If anyone or organisation wanted to spend 10million pounds to redesign a block of flats to fail if a fire broke out, then this was an example of how to achieve that end.

This major incident reminds me of the "Homes for Votes scandal" in the 80s by Westminster Tory council and in particular Shirley Porter who was described by Andrew Hosken and Nicholas Lezard in the following terms: "She remains, by a considerable margin, the most corrupt British public figure in living memory."

77887 - because the downdraught from the rotor blades would have fed the fire ..... amazed you did not know that

77888 - that was prior to philip green and his antics
for all that, she was an absolute disgrace, and showed just absolute greed ...... being the daughter of jack cohen (tesco) she was hardly short of a shilling

cynic in the motion of dropping the ladders then you move in not until all is set for the act of the person ready to grab the line