Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Grenfell Tower
i confess i cannot bear to watch the news any more
my wife had to drive past today and she tells me it is absolutely horrific


there's a lot of fingers being pointed at the moment, but from the little i have read, RBK&C look to be firmly in the frame
RBK&C needed or demanded that the cost was kept within budget
RBK&C would have passed off the highly detailed proposal from the (various) contractors
RBK&C, while perhaps not being the site manager (not sure about that), would still have had to pass off the work at various stages


meanwhile, the snippet below is revealing ....

In 2013 the government wrote to every local authority to encourage them to retrofit sprinkler systems in older tower blocks. It did so at the request of a coroner who leads an inquest into a fire in Camberwell in which six people died.

Before passing judgement on whether the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management therefore acted irresponsibly, bear in mind that, according to the British Automatic Fire Sprinkler Association, only 100 older tower blocks in Britain have been retrofitted with sprinklers since 2013. Around 4,000 have not.
The vast majority of councils would appear to have been put off by the cost.

A snippet heard in passing was that a sprinkler system for that block would have cost approx £200k, which if true sounds like money well spent, a small fraction of the total refurb cost (£10m)

CYA will now be the order of the day...and I wonder what level of bungs was involved?

£200k sounds far too low to me .... more likely that's the cost per floor

anyway, it seems that (retro)fitting this was never part of the brief

all tower blocks should have a tank on the roof holding tons of water and values on ever side and opened when needed it would put out any external fire , as it went down the walls , and fitted in a couple of days , it can be made of plastic with ribs

cynic have watched the video if not click on excel post its will make you laugh its bril

It's only steel pipe and heat sensors .. old tech, bin around for years.

meanwhile, Call Me Comrade has a solution:




Jeremy Corbyn: Empty homes owned by rich should be 'requisitioned' for Grenfell Tower residents



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/jeremy-corbyn-empty-homes-owned-rich-should-requisitioned-grenfell/

I wondered when someone would get round to that sort of thing , I'm sure Brexit will be brought up soon . Rich V Poor . £10 million seems someone thought worth spending , just not in right areas .

if the corbyn story had come via the guardian or the ft it might have more credibility
as it is, i read it with some scepticism

Oh dear!

Wifey just told me two JW 'crusaders' have walked straight past our house and obviously decided to 'give us a miss'.

All is not yet lost. I have thrown a pinch of salt over my left shoulder and will now offer up a 30 second prayer to the great Flying Spaghetti Monster, asking him to let me become a Pastafarian.

Well where's the lily Allens and sturgeons...They wanted everyone to take in a
migrant from the Calais jungle...not heard a whisper from them regarding those
left homeless by this fire..

And Australia had a similar fire in one of their high rise blocks, i believe they
had used the same cladding, but not 100% on that..

It's not the cladding, it's the insulation used, some sort of polystyrene type stuff.

Insanity.

I do look in on the Interactive investor site , no sign in , but what used to be quite good discussions now taken over by anti May , anti Brexit , any opportunity to have a go at leavers , sad Corbyn loving nothing else to do but complain all day bad loser types . I'm with TD , and just been taken over by them , sad times .

bbc news gutter press bringing black women on tv to accuse MAY AND BLAMING MAY

WHAT LOAD OF SHIT AT THE BBC

SELL OFF THE BBC IT IS A DISGRACEFUL ORG

ITS THEIR LOCAL COUNCIL NOT THE GOV .

ARE THESE PEOPLE SO THICK

CORBYN CONDEMING THE CONSERVATIVES FOR TALKING TO THE DUP IS BECAUSE OF THEIR VIEWS ON GAYS AND MARRIAGE , DOES THE IDIOT NOT KNOW HE HAS OVER 18 LABOUR MPS WHO ARE TOTALY AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE HAS MUSLIMS
AND THEIR RELIGION

IS THE MAN A NUTTER YES HE IS

ANY PERSON GOING TO THE TOWER WHO IS NOT THEIR TO HELP AND WORK
SHOULD KEEP AWAY EVER ONE INCLUDING MPS GLOATING FOR PRESS PICTURES TO SAY I WAS THEIR THAT IS JUST WHAT CORBYN IS DOING IDIOT

LETS WAIT FOR THE ANSWERS AND SEE WHAT WENT WRONG ,

How appropriate.

you're pretty much correct
if TM had gone to the site and alerted the press etc, then she would have been accused of making political capital or similar from the tragedy of others


the cladding or perhaps the insulation looks to be prime suspect, but as you say, we should await full and proper facts

it still won't bring back those who died or even be of any comfort to their familes
i guessed at a toll of 75, and i fear that will not be wrong and perhaps on the low side

As I type, it has been revealed more than 70 people remain unaccounted for from the Grenfell Tower blaze and 30 are confirmed dead.