Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

CLADDING
just a very brief word ..... i read today that there are hundreds or even thousands of schools and hospitals and other buildings that are clad with whatever this stuff is

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TODAY'S RUGBY
i see the scots had a great result vs oz, and believe it was a cracking match, though did not see it

the lions also won handsomely, but many nagging doubts remain that they have the firepower to beat the real all blacks
today they broke the back of the opposition when they were reduced to 14 men, but there remains an inability to cross the line ..... this will have been well noted by the all blacks and certainly does not apply to their own back line

From: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/

Cladding for Grenfell Tower was cheaper, more flammable option
Exclusive: Omnis Exteriors asked to supply cladding £2 cheaper a square metre than fire-resistant type, investigation finds

Rob Davies, Kate Connolly in Berlin and Ian Sample
Friday 16 June 2017 13.44 BST First published on Friday 16 June 2017 12.44 BST

Material used in the cladding that covered the Grenfell Tower was the cheaper, more flammable version of the two available options, an investigation of the supply chain has confirmed.

Omnis Exteriors manufactured the aluminium composite material (ACM) used in the cladding, a company director, John Cowley, confirmed to the Guardian.

He also said Omnis had been asked to supply Reynobond PE cladding, which is £2 cheaper per square metre than the alternative Reynobond FR, which stands for “fire resistant” to the companies that worked on refurbishing Grenfell Tower.


White cladding on Grenfell Tower. The supplier said it had been asked for Reynobond PE rather than FR – fire resistant Photograph: Andy Rain/EPA

“We supplied components for a system created by the design and build team on that project,” said Cowley.

Harley Facades confirmed it had installed the panels bought from Omnis in the work it performed on Grenfell Tower.

Omnis sold ACM cladding to Harley Facades, which was responsible for installing it.

Construction firm Rydon Maintenance was the lead contractor on the project but sub-contracted elements of the work to smaller companies, including Harley.

Omnis Exteriors describes itself as a “leading UK manufacturer and supplier of exterior building products and systems”. Its website states: “With almost 400 multi-storey projects completed, you know that you are in good hands.”

The website also says Omnis manufactures cladding at a workshop in St Helens and has supplied dozens of building projects around the country.

It reported a profit of £1.2m last year, the same year in which the ACM it supplied was installed on Grenfell Tower.

The company also paid a dividend of £950,000 to its sole shareholder, an investment group specialising in construction companies called Xerxes Equity.

The chairman of Xerxes and its largest shareholder is the corporate grandee Tony Rice, who is a former chief executive of the telecoms multinational Cable & Wireless and is also a trustee of the housing charity Shelter.

German construction companies have been banned from using plastic-filled cladding, such as Reynobond PE, on towers more than 22 metres high since the 1980s when regulations were brought in to improve fire safety at residential blocks.

Concerns that the panels could exacerbate the spread of fires led authorities to allow them only on buildings that can be reached by the fire brigade using fully-extended ladders from the ground. Taller buildings require panels with a more fire-resistant core and separate staircases for people to use if evacuation becomes necessary.

Frankfurt’s fire chief, Reinhard Ries, said he was appalled at the fire at Grenfell Tower and said tighter fire-safety rules for tower blocks in Germany meant that a similar incident could not happen there. US building codes also restrict the use of metal-composite panels without flame-retardant cores on buildings above 15 metres.

Germany is deemed to have some of the most stringent fire regulations in the world. High-rise tower blocks are common, particularly in former communist parts of the country, where they dominated new-build housing for decades. In Berlin and elsewhere, the austere blocks have become fashionable places to live, in part because of a housing shortage and the high cost of accommodation.

Berlin’s fire chief, Wilfried Gräfling, said the London fire made it clear that fire regulations should be tightened further with only mineral materials used in cladding panels. “We will try to persuade lawmakers that flammable material should no longer be allowed to be used as an insulant,” he told Der Spiegel. “Only mineral material that can’t burn, ensuring that it’s no longer possible for a fire to spread via the cladding,.”

The speed at which the fire spread at Grenfell Tower has led to intense speculation that external cladding panels made from aluminium sheets with a flammable polyethylene core may have fuelled the fire that tore through the block in the early hours of Wednesday morning. But the investigation into the tragedy will look at scores of other factors that could have contributed to the blaze, including the proper installation of fire barriers between the cladding on each floor and any holes left after the recent refurbishment through which fire could have spread.

In the UK there are no regulations requiring the use of fire-retardant material in cladding used on the exterior of tower blocks and schools. But the Fire Protection Association (FPA), an industry body, has been pushing for years for the government to make it a statutory requirement for local authorities and companies to use only fire-retardant material. Jim Glocking, technical director of the FPA, said it had “lobbied long and hard” for building regulations on the issue to be tightened, but nothing had happened.

On Thursday police launched a criminal inquiry into the fire at the 24-storey building. At least 30 people died in the blaze, though police expect the figure to rise substantially. Of the injured, 30 remain in hospital with 15 in a critical condition.

Yes well done to Scotland and the Lions but as you say the All Blacks will be a much tougher call.

After all the Horrors, Politics, and uncertainty of the last few weeks it was a pleasure to watch the Trooping of the Colour today. We still do the Pomp and Ceremony so well and lifted some of my depression as to what is happening to the Country.

Terrible loss of life and in Portugal as well......southern European countries are now getting a climate like northern Africa and Britain at times (like now) a med climate....quite unbelievable......it's all very well talking about knocking down all the tower blocks but it's quite impossible to do so .....fire precaution upgrades is what is needed.....and probably the only way forward....this cladding is a serious problem as it is everywhere now.....

the bbc and sky are coursing the dreadful acts around area of the fire they are trying to make it political they are stirring up the locals , the police should act the bbc sky are stirring up hate .

over the weekend all the residents now are only interested in were their is blame their is a claim .
the bbc want to stir them up

all those that were killed by terrorists in London and Manchester are nor forgotten only their families remember , what actions have been taken by the gov/police to round up and stop it happening again , we are told their ae now over 23000 terrorists in the uk waiting to attack the uk

not a word on any arrests or charges

muslim council condemn Christians for attacks on islam

you could not make it up it is muslims attacking Christians .

muslim council condemn non muslims this morning

read what they say on bbc news today

Here it comes, proper challenger or stalking horse?



Exclusive: David Davis tipped to become the next Conservative leader by Boris Johnson's allies as Theresa May's ministers refuse to back her



By Christopher Hope, Chief Political Correspondent and
Laura Hughes, Political Correspondent
18 June 2017 • 9:06pm



David Davis has emerged as the unity candidate to lead the Conservative Party after he was tipped for the post by allies of Boris Johnson.

The Brexit secretary is being touted as a candidate to take Britain past the March 2019 date when Britain is expected to leave the EU if the Prime Minister quits suddenly.

Today Mr Davis, Exiting the European Union secretary, heads to Brussels to open formally Britain’s discussions with Brussels bureaucrats about leaving the EU, pledging to secure "a deep and special partnership between the UK and the EU. A deal like no other in history".



More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/18/exclusive-david-davis-tipped-become-next-conservative-leader/

i was certainly very impressed by DD when i saw him on tv a few days ago

it appears the van driver is a nutter not right in the head

..What you doing driving a van in London that time of a Sunday night then Tanks -):

stan , will just say this any one who thinks their is a god are nutters its a fairy tale
has for any civilised person who thinks praying to some one who married a infant of 9 years old is a prophet is in human . we are here down to nature like all other animals
we are no better , and one day it will all end bang

in the general run of things, it matters not what people choose to believe (or not)
the problem arises when those beliefs are subverted and distorted to justify oppression and worse of others

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it was premeditated MURDER, formerly punishable by hanging if found guilty

Actually no one has died ,the fellow on the ground had a heart attack and was being tended to.

Amber Rudd is allotting money to protect Mosques .

ok, then attempted murder ...... still carries a hefty jail term

As stated in my post 77973 still applicable.


Only punishable by death if carried out by a TRUE PATRIOT WHO'S INTENTIONS
WERE TO DEFEND THIS COUNTRY FROM THE ENEMY WITHIN!!!!

But the treacherous pieces of filth like cynic should be highlighted..because
the liberal anti 'British' fool would like this patriot given the death penalty but
strangely quiet when its carried out by the enemy within islamist sympathiser's ....