Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Vicky,

I do agree with you.

"VICTIM - 06 Oct 2017 16:23 - 7797 of 7799

Well i think i'm a bit nearer than you stan .ROFL .

You do seem to be nearer to having "senility and dementia".

Says it all Fred.. says it all 🙄

Two peas in a pod there , jeez .

I think Chris Carson has you two worked out the best , and also his replies .

Say goodnight Dick.

Best laugh i've had in years .

Had them two worked out for years Vic. Reckon you guys are doing a better job :0)

It's a dirty job Chris , but someone has to do it .

An Informed referendum.

Clegg et al going on about the virtues of a Utopian vision,or Brimstone and fire if we dont agree.

Farage et al going on about freedom and a brighter future.

Same as the first referendum only next time the rhetoric will go up to The Spinal Tap dial of eleven.

You take your choices. :)

How the hell were the remoaners conned Fred ?

They voted remain and lost and haven't shut up since. Who were they conned by , the remain camp ?

Funny how it's only the remoaners who didn't understand what they were voting for. Leavers seem happy so why do we need another referendum ?

Roll on 29/3/18

Dil.

The Brexiters with Cash and cronies were moaning away since they were in nappies and said they had had their balls taken away.

The result of trying to exiting or breaking up the EU was not on the referendum slip or explained.

The "exiters" didn't know and still don't know.

Is 29/3/18 the suicide day?

cynic - 06 Oct 2017 15:01 - 7789 of 7810
if Catalonia secedes from Spain, what would be the effect on the EU structure?

Cyners,

I can't see that anything would change as far as the EU are concerned. The problems would rest entirely on Catalonia's own shoulders.

For instance, they'd stop getting subsidies from Spain, they wouldn't have a central bank acting as lender of last resort, they wouldn't have a currency of their own and would need consent from the EU to use the euro in the same way as Monaco and a few others do, and they'd have to join the queue if they wanted to obtain EU membership which would require the consent of the other 27/28 members.

It's a similar scenario to that of Scotland and the UK, and the EU didn't interfere there.

you may well be right, and it was really just a pebble that i threw into the pond

however, if i have read correctly, catalonia creates a disproportionate amount of spanish gdp
that said, the catalans can jump and down as much as they like, and though that may cause much unrest and wreck a good section of the tourist trade on which so much of spain depends (including catalonia), independence will remain a pipe dream - just as it has for the basques

why on earth the spanish gov't reacted with such brutal police force is beyond belief ..... imagine such a thing in uk - or even switzerland :-)

"independence will remain a pipe dream - just as it has for the basques"

Churchill said similar about India.

And look what happened..

A day in the life of a tory,



Theresa move over, Boris wants the stool!

To secede from Spain would require probably an impossible job as to organising total separation of power supply....army....police....independent hospitals....basically : a new born country would have to be created !....it just can't happen overnight and would probably end if the catalan government decided as such should go ahead with occupation (Franco style) of Catalonia by force by loyal Spanish troops...make no mistake of that not happening...it would be a dark day for Spanish democracy as the francists are not dead : they are just lurking in the shadows....

How much is it to Party Central Office?



How much is Party Central Office?

Good to hear that walking away from negotiations is still on the table , Barnier and EU might finally wake up and smell the coffee.

And if they don't like our proposals how about coming up with some of their own.

That's not really a good option though, Dil. Both sides can use bluff and double bluff all they like during negotiations but, ultimately, a good deal is the preferred option for both sides.