Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Oh shit! I've got solar panels on my roof.

Blaze rips through roof of million-pound London flats as picture shows solar panels on fire

A blaze has ripped through a block of new million-pound apartments near London's Victoria Park today.

The fourth floor and attic roof at trendy Bow Wharf have been incinerated as the fire raged through the five-storey block today.

The cause of the fire is still unknown at this stage, pictures show solar panels on fire at the waterside development, where homes are on sale for more than £1million.

This one does come a bit too soon after the fire to do with the flats at Grenfell Park so firstly, I do hope that no one has been injured in this new fire in the flats at Victoria Park. We also know now, that the first fire was caused or had a lot to do with building materials.

There are three key considerations that affect fire spread along a roof where a roof-mounted PV array is installed:

In a typical roof fire, the flame is primarily vertical, or perhaps somewhat slanted due to wind. Once such flames spread under a PV panel, the flame is redirected much closer to the roof surface and nearly parallel to it. This increases the incident heat flux on the roof surface, often above its critical heat flux.

While the exterior fire classification of a roof is an effective way to rate the exterior fire performance of roof assemblies, even a Class A assembly will offer some fuel contribution to a roof PV fire, with most standing seam metal roof systems being the exception.

While the top surface of a rigid PV panel is usually made of tempered glass, the bottom of the panel may contain combustibles (used to protect the PV circuitry) in the form of polyester-based encapsulants and back sheets (see Fig. 3). If this ignites and the heat re-radiates, fire spread is likely to continue back and forth beneath the roof assembly and the PV back sheet.

PV rooftop fires have been caused by electrical arcs that occurs near the combiner box, where numerous wires from PV panels are connected. This is a location where there is considerable voltage, before the current is converted from DC to AC at the inverter, and where the roof assembly could ignite and result in fire spread under the PV panels.

Fortunately, there have been some improvements made by manufacturers during the past few years with regard to the electrical components that can reduce the potential for ignition. Some PV panels have micro-inverters on each PV panel, which convert voltage from DC to AC. This can be expensive, but it reduces the probability of ignition.

Hmmm? I might be OK then. There is no combiner box in my installation. Each one of my solar panels has its own micro-inverter.

Anecdotal evidence suggests people were unlawfully subletting their properties in the tower and are reluctant to come forward.

Grenfell Tower residents who were illegally subletting will not face prosecution, Communities Secretary Sajid Javid has said.

The Cabinet Minister said the move was guided by a concern that "loved ones still missing are identified".

The protection from prosecution applies to anyone coming to authorities with information about people who were in their flats at the time of the fire.

Anecdotal evidence from residents has indicated that people living in the tower block may have been unlawfully subletting their properties, and that they are reluctant to come forward and report others are missing because of the fear of reprisal.

Director of Public Prosecutions Alison Saunders said: "It is a priority for investigators to establish who was in Grenfell Tower on that tragic day and it is crucial that we do everything possible to support them."

Guidance issued by the Director of Public Prosecutions said that tenants of Grenfell Tower who were subletting their properties and who "come forward to authorities" to share information "should not face prosecution for offences under section one of the Prevention of Social Housing Fraud Act 2013".

The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea has said it will respect this guidance.

Mr Javid said: "Supporting those affected by the tragic events at Grenfell Tower has been the absolute priority of the Government. That includes making sure that loved ones still missing are identified. Therefore, I would urge those with information to come forward without fear of prosecution."

so the criminals su letting their homes cheating tax payers all immigrants doing t
or not to be charged with their crime , its a disgrace they should be jailed then deported

what message does this send out

they are the murderers and the residents blame the council
charge the scum
the uk open for all criminal acts

some sub letters have made that much money they have luxury homes paid for by tax payers ,

some sub letters have made over 700k in payments from sub letting , its a disgrace
that these scum are going to keep their cash from criminal acts .
renting out their flats at over 3k a month for over 20 years plus more cash if two families are in the flats

Everton have signed Michael Keane Chris.

Just found out magic. Some transfer window for the Blues :0)

Good going forward only problem is he's not very good at actually defending against a strong opponent...however we might be prepared to take him back on loan if the price is right -):

He said in his interview that you're one of the reasons he left Stan. Must be true because it was in the Guardian. Koeman will set him straight.

...it's a cracker -):

Strong and stable government.

Iraq war: judge to review Tony Blair prosecution ban


Private criminal prosecution against former PM was blocked last year by courts giving Blair immunity against criminal charges



Tony Blair caused huge controversy when prime minister in deciding to take Britain into the invasion of Iraq in 2003.




Vikram Dodd Police and crime correspondent

Wednesday 5 July 2017 06.00 BST






The most senior judge in England and Wales will hear a case attempting to overturn a ban on prosecuting Tony Blair over the Iraq war, the Guardian has learned.


A private criminal prosecution against the former Labour prime minister was blocked in 2016 by Westminster magistrates court when it was ruled Blair would have immunity from any criminal charges.

But that ruling by the district judge, Michael Snow, will be reviewed on Wednesday before the lord chief justice, Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd, and Mr Justice Ouseley.

The current attorney general, Jeremy Wright QC, wants the block on proceedings upheld. He will have a barrister in court to try to stop the attempted private prosecution.


The hearing follows a decision by the high court in May, which has not previously been reported. Then a high court judge said those wanting to prosecute Blair could have a hearing to seek permission for a court order allowing their case to go to the next stage. The judge in that case also said the attorney general could formally join in the case.



More: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/05/iraq-war-judge-to-review-tony-blair-prosecution-ban

There is nothing to be gained by this case proceeding. The country has more than enough division as it is, although I do have a lot of sympathy for those families who lost kin in the war. I remember at the time that I was in favor of action against Saddam for fooling around with the North and South no-fly zones. Maybe that irritation was preferable to what followed but Saddam played with fire and everyone got burnt.

Hang him ,that's what i say .

Tory Blair to hang?...be a very long queue with hundreds of other Tories in line as well.

It'll give him something to think about apart from trying to scupper Brexit.

Tory Blair then Archer...

Morning fun

... and then you

But you are already Half hang, being a Labour supporter

If the legal eagles can go after soldiers for doing what they are trained to do, then politicians who cause the problem in the first place are fair game too imo.