Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

blair is a war criminal and a bastard liar who told lies lies lies to get the uk into a war

yes hang the man even that is to good for him

SADAM AND GADAFI WERE FARMORE HONEST THAN SCUMBAG BLAIR

CORBYN IN THE COMMONS SPEAKING WHAT STUPID MAN
I went to school with this arsewipe he failed at school he has failed in all he does
he is deranged a liar he wants min wage £10 that would mean skilled would want at least £20 by 2020 pensioners on now 122 would be on 132 by 2010
how would they live or should I say die of hunger and cold because to pay £ 10 a hour would force up all costs

pensioners would just have to die

CORBYN THICK HAS SHIT HAS HE WAS AT SCHOOL GET HIM TO ANSWER MY QUESTION BECAUSE HE KEEPS SAYING SOME ONE ASKED HIM TO PUT A QUESTION TO THE PM WHY WILL HE NOT RESPOND TO MY QUESTION
ANSWER HE IS A LIAR DISHONEST THICK SHIT

Corby is playing to his audience, useless snowflakes who think they have a right to an easy life with plenty of money and lots of free stuff.

Problem is, snowflakes get to vote too.

I rarely tolerate Tory muppets Max...I refuse to have them on the property.

Although you are quite correct in what you say about Corbyn, please calm it down a bit, Tanker.

:-)

Hays

Yes. We didn't know exactly what weaponry Sadaam had up his sleeve, so he could well have gassed the lot of us.

As you say, it wasn't so much 'the war', it was the lack of a plan for 'after we've won the war' that's got us into big trouble. There just wasn't a plan and so chaos reigns.

Tanks is on his way if he keeps it up.

For your information you lot the second Iraq war was nothing more then an excuse to get their hands on some oil supplies (or so they thought) and people who think or say differently have their own agenda for doing so.

FACT CORBYN SAYS HE AS A LETTER TODAY CALLED DAVE .

I HAVE GIVEN THE PARTY MY QUESTION AND CAN USE ALL MY NAME TO SPEAK IN COMMONS NOT A UNKNOWN

THE FACTS ABOUT BLAIR ARE ALL THEIR TO READ AND SEE

No one is disagreeing with you, Tanker.

But nevertheless, please calm it down a bit, mate.

Corbyn does often refer to the likes of 'Marjorie of Northampton' and 'Colin of South Shields', etc. But I guess you'll just have to patiently wait your turn. That is, if he ever wants to pick you. And he does have HIS OWN AGENDA which is not yours.

Most people also now believe Blair to be a very hypocrital person and that he and Bush did a dirty deed to get 'the war in Iraq thing' going. But there are better men than you and I who might feel a need to do something about it. I don't believe Corbyn is one of them, nor TM another. She is presently too busy with Brexit and holding on to her hat.

Trump - His Options Concerning North Korea:

:: Option one - China

Trump's latest tweets ponders whether there will be a "heavy move" on North Korea by China.

He has long advocated a policy of pushing China to use its influence with its neighbour.

Beijing's reaction suggests it's considering no such move.

It seems more concerned about regional upheaval than nuclear and missile programmes.

The US appears to have lost faith in China's ability to change the situation. This latest test shows that North Korea is not threatened by China's reactions.

China has called for the US to stop its military exercises with South Korea in exchange for a halt in North Korea's missile tests.

The aim - to pave the way for negotiations to end the stand-off.

Russia has now joined that call, which is unlikely to go down well with the Trump administration.

Collectively there's a sense from Russia and China that the USA's naval military exercises have paved the way for the ICBM test.

:: Option two - Sanctions

The United Nations Security Council may be asked to impose further sanctions

The United Nations has already imposed several rounds of sanctions on Pyongyang, but China is regarded as being able to deliver the most stinging economic blow.

It has been accused of not using that leverage to full effect.

Just days ago, the US put sanctions on a Chinese bank accused of laundering North Korean money.

It was a move the Trump administration said was aimed at cutting funds to the regime's weapons programmes - not punishing China for a perceived lack of action.

China reacted angrily saying it could harm cooperation. The US may well consider further sanctions.

:: Option three - Military strike

US Navy vessels have been on manoeuvres with South Korean ships in preparation for possible military action

Trump has insisted that military action is possible, but it's widely regarded as untenable because of the massive loss of life it could inflict if North Korea retaliates against South Korea.

US defence secretary James Mattis has said a conflict in North Korea "would be probably the worst kind of fighting in most people's lifetimes".

There are already 28,000 US troops stationed in South Korea.

More of a military presence in the region, including troops, aircraft and ships, could be an option.

If it is concluded that an ICBM has been fired, the US will almost certainly send military signals in response.

We can expect to hear that missile defence measures on Navy ships in the Pacific and land-based missiles in Alaska are braced and prepared, along with defence systems in South Korea and Japan.

:: Option four - Diplomacy

George W Bush failed in his attempt at diplomacy with North Korea.

Diplomatic engagement is the preferred option for new South Korean President Moon Jae-in.

The Trump administration has said it would even consider a meeting with North Korea's leader, which no other US president has done.

In the light of this recent test that seems even less feasible.

Negotiations have been attempted before, but with little yield.

Bill Clinton and George W Bush tried it but deals eventually fell apart.

The upcoming G20 summit means plenty of North Korea talk - with perhaps a race to determine who emerges as the driving force behind efforts to curtail the situation.

:: Option five - Learn to live with a nuclearised North Korea

There may eventually have to be an acceptance that nothing that can be done.

Learning to live with a nuclear, aggressive North Korea might have to become an option.

Hmmm? Oh dear, to this one.

E/L you must now be one of the few who believe that the Iraq scandal was anything other then a war for oil.

Sadaam was still making trouble and I believe it was only about George W Bush 'finishing his father's job off'.

George Bush Senior should have finished off Sadaam when Desert Storm happened after the Iraq invasion of Kuwait in 2001. But he didn't and his regret about not doing it was so big, he got his son to do it.

In any event, for both military options, there was still never any 'after the war' plan.

I certainly do NOT believe it was about 'Oil'. That would have meant 'to the winner goes the spoils of war'. The winner being the UK and the USA (and a few others as well). It would have been relatively easy to do this but the ME was well know to be a potential hot bed and 'the west' being seen to be taking taking Iraq's oil after waging war on it, would have made it even hotter. So we never got to knick Iraq's oil because it simply could not have been on the cards to start with.

I was in Austria when Desert Storm kicked off in 1990

GRENFELL TOWERBLOCK , how many known tenants are missing , the question is that those that have made a killing out of sub letting have not come forward some do not and have not lived in the flats for many years , why should they not be charged with their crime , by not coming forward is a criminal act ,

a lot of people taken to court jailed for owing council tax
to let these sub letters off is a criminal act

Try proving who they were if they have not come forward Laurenrose - Maybe some in the council that knew who was doing what, and not taking action, should be the ones that are charged. However the whole system is corrupt, from the police - the lawyers and judges, right up to the very top being those around the Queen that govern us all.

Lawyers should not be Judges - that is the only way to start cleaning the whole thing up.

Yes Judges should have legal qualifications but it should be a separate profession. There also should be no "Privileged Material" when it comes to justice - Lawyers use this with the agreement of Judges, to play games rather than reach the truth and serve justice.

That is why the wealthy and criminal get off with most crimes they commit, including bankers and those that play games with investors/pensions funds etc. etc.

clock very true , some one must pay for the failure to make sure sub letting does not happen,

for labour posters like stan fred , the avge rise for public workers over the last 3 years is over 3.9 % fact my nephew is a teacher my sisters daughter a nurse she is on over 38k a year and happy

fact if you phone the council about benefit fraud they want you to give out all their details and fill in all the forms , they will not get out of their seats and take action

all they need to respond is the house number

I see Stan is touting the lefty view of wars for oil. The world has been awash with oil now for years. There is no evidence that anyone has got oil as a result of a war.

It's funny how the left take such over simplified and trivial stances on so many subjects.