Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The PCC investigates all these cases but, like the referendum, the lefties only accept the result it wants. Forget the facts, let's go with our prejudices against the decent people in our society. The fact is that a proportion of the black population use racism as an excuse to break the law.

Lesson one: when a black or minority ethnic individual dies following police contact, doubts about their character are often raised. They are portrayed not as victims of force but as criminals undeserving of sympathy. Simon Laurence, the Met’s borough commander for Hackney, warned against premature speculation about the causes of Rashan’s death after himself implying causality and chronology by announcing that Charles was “seen to be trying to swallow an object” before he was “then taken ill”.

There's hope for you lefties...




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Charles was “seen to be trying to swallow an object” before he was “then taken ill”.

if the above is found to be true, then there will no doubt be evidence to be found on cctv footage and/or during the pm

from the outside, the local riffraff were just looking for an excuse to cause mayhem, and this happened to be convenient
justification for same is absent

This is not dissimilar to the way the use of force against Lapite was justified by the allegation that he had tried to strangle an apprehending officer, or the narrative that Duggan’s brandishing of a firearm is what led to him being fatally shot. The implication of Laurence’s statement is that Rashan Charles died as a result of swallowing drugs to evade arrest. History makes us rightfully distrustful of police accounts of events. The coroner in the Duggan inquest deemed it “very unlikely”, for example, that he would have been able to throw a gun to where police claimed they recovered one from. But whether Charles swallowed something toxic or not, what’s sure is that violently restraining him and impairing his ability to breathe could have exacerbated any risk and caused harm. The police should act on the basis of facts, not suspicions informed by stereotypes. Better regulations and guaranteed sanctions should exist to ensure that suspects are safely restrained.

None of it justifies throwing petrol bombs at the police and rioting. As soon as that happens you have lost any argument and no one is interested.

The public's attitude is that the rioters are causing trouble because some career criminals like Duggan died as part of their criminal enterprises.

Sorry Stan but it was a bunch of thugs just looking for an excuse to riot.

If that had happened before or after a football match they would have had the book thrown at them and many would be facing 3 year jail terms (Google Chelsea v Cardiff 2010).

Instead we get the shadow Home Secretary supporting them.

It's not ok to riot whatever the circumstances.

I shall look for you Dil on the CCTV of that Cardiff match ! ....

Lesson two: any community reaction other than quiet, patient compliance is vilified, sensationalised and used to detract from the legitimacy of the cause. Media outlets were quick to caricature the disturbances in Dalston as a “riot”. This term has become highly politicised and is used to eclipse the legitimate anger felt by friends of the dead man, reducing them to “violent opportunists” with perverse incentives, to quote LBC presenter Maajid Nawaz. Think of the similar narrative attached to the 2011 uprisings in London and other English cities. What I find odd is that some people seem more perturbed by the inconvenience of a temporary roadblock than the fact that people are dying after contact with a police force that is supposed to protect. Somehow, it is easier to empathise with the intimidation that local residents may feel when a violent protest occurs than with the constant terror people such as me feel every day when encountering police. Blocking roads and smashing up shops do nothing to bring about real justice. Yet I believe it is unfair to expect perfect order after such incidents. How can it surprise anyone that when a person of colour dies after contact with the police, frustration at the lack of impartiality can erupt into violence?

Lol , one guy throws a traffic cone that goes skidding about 10 yards down the road and is never in danger of hitting anyone if I remember right and he got 3 years. People were sent to prison for gesturing that day.

Now if they had done this to previous rioters like those in 2011 then it sends one hell of a message out.

Come off it Stan I bet less than half of those involved had ever even spoken to the guy let alone be classed as his friends.

This leads to our final historical lesson: justice is an outcome that legal systems cannot guarantee. Nawaz began his radio monologue on the Rashan Charles disturbances, and Simon Laurence concluded his statement, by highlighting the importance of an independent investigation into the circumstances leading to the death of Rashan Charles. But history makes it very hard to remain optimistic about the prospect of justice ensuing from this approach. No police officer has ever been convicted for any one of the more than 1,500 deaths either in custody or following police contact since 1990.

Dear Dear Stan is cutting and pasting .

Even in the few instances when the killings were held to have been unlawful. It feels like no amount of evidence or lack thereof could alter this outcome.

No police officer has ever been convicted for any one of the more than 1,500 deaths either in custody or following police contact since 1990.
Just shows what a fine police force we have. You clearly have no idea Stan how rigorous the custodial process is. If someone kicks off, reasonable force is warranted. So happens that some of the louts apprehended just don't know when to stop. 1500 in nearly 30 years in not bad at all given the types the police normally have "contact" with. Try it for a month and see what your attitude is then. I'm sure Burnley have space for special constables although Burnley doesn't compare with certain boroughs of London.

The fact that there is video footage in the case of Rashan Charles may make some people a little more hopeful that any inquiry will be objective and that justice will be done. But given the history of police conduct, can you blame people for doubting that the outcome will be any different this time? I can’t.

stan - whatever the merits or otherwise of your postings this morning, i fail to see any reason why you or anyone else should support the ensuing violence

i suspect, but do not know, that it looked well orchestrated

Stan loves it ,he's one of them a hooligan , probably would want to watch from behind the curtains though .

Thank you for your time Right wing reprobates in establishing some of your more defective opinions, I will take my leave of you now.

without answering the questions raised of course