Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hmmm?

I was aware he was a Catholic but my support for JRM has now gone down massively. I wasn't aware of the strength of his rather outdated and somewhat silly religious views on abortion, particulary when rape or incest is relevant to the pregnancy concerned.

But he is a clear thinker.

He adheres to the churches position, which is quite frankly stupid.

I don't agree with abortion on demand, getting rid of a kid is a bit more than discarding an old pair of trousers.

Rape and incest is another matter, it's hardly voluntary.

Max,

His strength of "belief" and "adherence" to its concepts seems to be as strong as your "disbelief" without the moral limiters of a religion.

Well said Fred!

I can normally twig what you are going on about, but that last one baffles me.


Can you expand?

Get yourself a dictionary Max 😉

Rees-Moggs beliefs are personal and I don't see him trying to impose them on others. Be an atheist if you want, but sneering or trying to force your non beliefs on others is just as bad. None of us is correct on all matters as far as others are concerned. Do a poll and you will find a small % of people that still believe the Earth is flat. At the end of the day it comes down to "do I trust and admire JRM more than the likes of (say) Corbyn or any atheist that I know?" My vote goes to JRM.
On the subject of abortion, I wonder how many people that write about it actually have any experience of it and whether there were any subsequent regrets. Just a thought since it can't be easy to terminate the life of a future son or daughter, regardless of the circumstances at the time.

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When you get that dictionary Max look up that pearler from Stan " you can Riggle all you like". :) and he is the one always going on about pots and kettles...

Say goodnight Dick.

Actually, iturama, I've had two and, both times, it was very straightforward - I didn't want to be a mother at that stage in my life.

It's not something that I talk about particularly, unless the question is raised. At the time, it was quite a taboo subject and, to this day, my own mother doesn't know as she'd be horrified. I was raised as a Catholic, packed off to convent school by my parents, found the nuns to be horrible old witches, found Catholocism to be hypocritical, hated every minute of my schooling, and rebelled against it as soon as I could.

The point is though, that JRM is reactionary, which is every bit as bad as preaching the extreme policies of the left. Politics have always been won on the centre ground, not by extremists of either inclination. Unfortunately, JRM's views are extreme.

What I do like about JRM, is the simple and interesting clarity he uses to speak about things.

David Davis, for instance as an opposite, does seem to me to be a mumbler and a very lazy orator. He doesn't seem to me to be all that bothered about whether you've got his drift or not. I also find his 'excessive leaning' on the despatch box to be rather irritable too.

I was also raised as a Catholic Hilary and I went to an Irish Christian Brothers grammar school. Fortunately, most of the teachers were lay teachers. It was a good school, very good in fact, which I didn't fully appreciate at the time.
On the subject of abortion, my wife, also a Catholic, got pregnant at a inconvenient time for both of us. In the initial shock/surprise, we actually thought about an abortion but let time pass while we got a liitle more used to the idea. Eventually she had the baby and we were very happy that we had made the right choice. At the time I remember feeling guilt at even having thought about an abortion.
Now that he is grown up and cost me a small fortune in the meantime, I wonder why I did ... :))

In spite of my childhood, my parents, sibling and schooling (Borstal was full up at the time) I survived.

Many had bets on me that I wouldn't.

Are you sure you survived ?

Mogg? now let me see.

a) Pratising Catholic.
b) Tory Politician.
c) Educated at Eton.
d) Worked for Rothschild as an investment manager.

Now who in their right mind would be impressed or vote for a case like that...died in the wood Tories aside of course.

Yep, still going strong.

I have been told that I should last another 10years.

Yep, still going strong.

I have been told that I should last another 10years.

Maybe people that can spell Stan. But there again your choice for Education Secretary has a cv that says "Comp school - failed" and your Home Secretary is innumerate - look that up in a dictionary - and close to brain dead. Just as well that you only have to vote with an x.

I seem to have hit a nerve there IT.. have a lie down you may feel better 😁

Of course people like Diane Abbott would be great ,very intelligent .