Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Oh dear...IT degeneration alert.

Thanks Stan but if i was stalking someone they would be more interesting than you,i just have to put out the idiot alert every now and then.

Dear Stanley, your moral compass is such that if you met a poor soul ready to jump off that imaginary bridge of yours, you would urge them to jump. But to be fair, if I noticed that it was you, I would do the same. :)

Some would say " 2 old farts will not make a healthy country" ............


Britain needs future-facing leaders, not nostalgic dinosaurs like Rees-Mogg and Corbyn
Friday 8 September 2017 --- 7:18am Rachel Cunliffe

Jacob Rees-Mogg – committed Brexiteer, potential contender for the Conservative leadership, and devout Roman Catholic – is against abortion and same-sex marriage. Who would have guessed?

Rees-Mogg’s comments on ITV on Wednesday, especially his assertion that a rape victim should be forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, raised eyebrows among the commentariat.

But really, they should not be a revelation. The “Moggster” has always been about as traditionally conservative (with a small c) as they come. A quick look at his record shows he votes according to his religious moral compass. And while his views may be unpalatable to a modern audience, he has every right to hold them, and in fact deserves respect for being honest about them to the public.

Should he be put forward in a leadership contest, as has been widely hyped over the summer, his fellow MPs and the electorate have the right to know where he stands.

The problem with the prospect of Rees-Mogg as Prime Minister is that he is resoundly – and proudly – old-fashioned: a semi-aristocrat with a Victorian-era attitude, an orthodox view of religion, and a dash of upper-class eccentricity. (He captured the headlines for naming his youngest child Sixtus Dominic Boniface Christopher, after all.)

None of this makes him ineligible for leadership (although had Sadiq Khan espoused in the name of Islam the same views as Rees-Mogg did in the name of Catholicism, his beliefs would have been condemned by some as at odds with liberal, secularist British values). In fact, his tell-it-like-it-is honesty, when other politicians (such as Tim Farron) would have dodged the question, is part of his appeal for those hoping the backbencher will make a bid for the Tory leadership.

Rees-Mogg’s supporters argue that he is a straight-shooting traditionalist with rock-solid credentials, who isn’t afraid to speak his mind and stick to his principles. Who could argue with that?

The trouble is, you could say the exact same thing about Jeremy Corbyn.

Both Corbyn and Rees-Mogg are anomalies, at extreme ends of the political spectrum. Both put their own principled take on the world – be it Marxist socialism or Bible-based conservatism – above the messy collaboration and compromise of modern politicking. And both are resolutely stuck in the past.

Corbyn’s vision of a state-run society and nationalised workforce is straight out of the 1970s. Rees-Mogg’s era of choice appears to fall somewhere in the late nineteenth century. Neither seem to have much awareness that the world in 2017 has moved on from their nostalgic recollections, nor any particular interest in confronting modern problems with twenty-first century solutions.

At some point, we need to ask whether refighting the battles of the past is helpful or productive.

Corbyn’s flagship economic policies in his leadership campaign were renationalising the railways and reopening the coal mines at taxpayers’ expense. Rees-Mogg has used his newfound platform to espouse turning back the clock on social issues that, whether he likes it or not, were settled in public consensus years ago.

Neither appear to have any smart ideas on how to address the problems of today and tomorrow – or if they do, they’re deprioritising them in favour of their own convictions and policies that play well with their adoring fan bases.

How about a radical new approach to the looming social care crisis? A comprehensive programme to address the housing shortage, whether that’s mass land deregulation, or investment in modular-built or 3D-printed houses? An overhaul of the tax and welfare system that incorporates the gig economy and reflects the changing labour market? Some kind of preparation for the advent of AI and automation that is soon to make thousands of jobs redundant? A business-based strategy for energy and climate issues? A plan to tackle intergenerational inequality and the unsustainable nature of the state pension scheme? Nothing in the Bible or Das Kapital is of much use here.

Unfortunately, the new generation of MPs aren’t exactly sparkling with fresh ideas either. Labour’s upcoming “ones to watch” are mostly Corbyn sympathisers – Rebecca Long-Bailey, Clive Lewis, Richard Burgon.

For the Tories, many Cameroons are still tarred by their Remainer affiliations, while the Brexiteers don’t seem to have the energy for anything else. Theresa May’s cabinet looks tired, while the fates of key players like David Davis and Boris Johnson are inextricably bound to the success of the EU deal.

Maybe there is a secret pool of ambitious upstarts with fresh ideas, who are perhaps biding their time and keeping their heads below the parapet until the Brexit drama cools down a bit. If so, they are staying very quiet.

If the best policymakers the two main parties can come up with are Jeremy Corbyn and Jacob Rees-Mogg, the country may not survive contact with the twenty-first century.

Just to refresh my memory:

The 10 Commandments List (Short Form)

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.

IT,

Already, I feel you are hinting, that you are religious and so feel you're a 'goodie' and I'm a 'baddie'.

But you get me confused and I'm so sorry you feel you might 'want to murder me' (not actually murder me, I hope) merely for passing my opinion on 'religion' and so briefly arguing my case.

A. Is it your belief or understanding then, that atheists cannot have or do not have a good morality?

B. Is it your belief that religion and good morality go together?

C. Do you believe, that atheists are generally 'bad' people?

iturama as you have mining background there is a Co , AXM who look to use more green methods of extracting metals and such , ie without chemicals so to speak . Now they are working with various ventures towards a process , there is an RNS at 09.52 ave a look and see what you think , could be interesting .Ta .

Hils , wife had two abortions since we've been together but before we were married and we've been married over 25 years. It was not an easy decision but was right in the circumstances and had sod all to do with the Catholic Church or any bloody politician.

I do like JRM's straight talking though.

VIC, I have not heard of Webster or noticed any papers by him. I am not a hydro-metallurgist but do have experience through companies I have managed, of conventional leaching, bio-leaching and pressure leaching using autoclaves. Mainly of copper and gold concentrates, including refractory gold. I am currently heavily invested in Excelsior Mining, which has an advanced in-situ copper leaching project in Arizona.
I haven't worked with Vanadium but the common method is solvent extraction whereby the host mineral is made acid soluble, then the vanadium is taken into solution using the likes of sulphuric acid and/or hydrofluoric, maybe with heat and pressure to speed up the process. The resulting pregnant solution is then passed through an organic material (for gold it is charcoal the best being from coconut shells) which adsorbs the vanadium. The loaded carbon is then stripped of the vanadium, oxidised, precipitated and calcined. That is the common route, with some variants, for most hydro metallurgical recoveries.
The Webster connection seems to be very much at the R&D stage with no clue as to what is being proposed. When, I worked for BP, we funded many R&D projects at universities and private laboratories, few of which were real ground breaking successes. I think there are better places to lose money until more is known. It could take a long time with less than even odds of ever being commercially viable. :)

Although JRM is saying, that for religious reasons he is against abortion, he is also saying that the rules of law make abortion OK in certain circumstances.

He is NOT saying he wants to change the law and is only telling us what his religious beliefs are.

He seems to be quite comfortable with that.

If it were me, I'd want both of my views to coincide. But for me I think they do actually coincide because, being an atheist, I'm down to just ONE belief, namely only the legal one.

Simples. :-)

IT

Did you like the extremely aggressive humour of George Carlin as he castigates 'religion' in my link above?

Thanks a lot It , Axm have a few ongoing JVs in leeching metals , i do keep an eye on them , no knowledge though , Thanks .

Politicians.

None of them can wire a plug.
Pump up a tyre.
Peel a Potato.

Useless individuals.

Something for you Mogg worshippers 😊

http://https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/08/jacob-rees-mogg-conservatives-eton-eccentric?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=242915&subid=23313800&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

Bloody hell Stan, you €uroloons must be terrified of the Mogster :-)


Still, heres something you really should be terrified about, the €uro courts overruling national governments, or trying to.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/european-court-orders-eu-countries-take-migrants

You can always count on the Guardian to give the snowflakes what they like to read. Fred would suffer Ptsd if he couldn't cut and paste Rowson. I wonder how many respond to the begging letters to keep the rag alive?
XL I find Carlin to be as tasteless and insipid as the beer. Both are easily forgotten.
Now if you want to look at something really magical on YouTube view this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Sx5lbVlQA
Now that is a man who will be remembered.

IT

Agreed about Pavarotti. What a phenominally good operatic tenor!

Madame and I had the pleasure of seeing him at the Sheffield Arena on two occasions. Apparently there had been a few complaints the first time and it was thought, that perhaps he had a bit of a cold or whatever, but we couldn't really detect anything wrong with his performance.

In discussions afterwards we thought if anything was a problem, it might have been the building's acoustics. Pavarotti must have agreed that he might not have been at his best and so everyone was given the opportunity to see (listen to?) him again for free.

So great! We got to see him twice. And to maximise the experiences - full evening dress and 'the works'. Loved it! Especially to hear him singing Nessum Dorma twice.

And I do agree Carlin is a bit too gutteral but his 'take' in that clip surely does get to disturb a few of the self righteous religious professionals.

You might be amazed as to what proportion of American citizens actually believe the world was created as litle as 6,000 years ago, and instead of geolological strata and scientific evidence, use The Bible to prove what they preach and believe. The number of these idiots is actually in the several 10s of per cent and there are around 300m people over there.

Stan
Your link is bad. As you can see there is a double http because you did not clear out the one in the dialogue.

Apart from that it is a very silly article.

Carlin is brilliant. I prefer his video on the death penalty.
https://youtu.be/qDO6HV6xTmI

Regarding Pavarotti, he was fantastic and in the tradition of Caruso, Gigli, De Stefano, Tito Schipa etc. He had a sweet voice but Placido Domingo was the better artist in terms of musicality. Pavarotti did not have the range of roles in opera and wasn't as successful in them. He became a popular singer where the public is less discriminating.

I saw Pavarotti several times. Once at Covent Garden, once at Excel in Docklands and sitting two rows behind Diana in Hyde Park.

Talking of opera singers, here is a story.

My father was in the war in Italy in the Intelligence Corps posing as an Italian and operating at times as a sort of spy looking for German saboteurs etc.

He was in Naples, Bari and Brindisi and went to the opera there several times a week. When in Brindisi he was told of a boy aged about 15 with a beautiful voice. He kept promising to come and sing. One evening he turned up and someone played the piano for him. He did have a beautiful voice.

He had won a Caruso scholarship to the Tito Schipa school of music in Lecce but couldn't get there. My father used to drive him there on his motorbike.

He became an opera singer and had his debut at the Met in NY. In the 1960s he was on Sunday Night at the London Palladium and my father contacted him staying at the Dorchester. My parents went to dinner with him and again when he was in Canada after they emigrated there.

His name was Jianni Jaia

This is him singing Non ti Scordar Di Me (don't forget me)

https://youtu.be/pRc7ZPzV3Yg