Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Perpetual Melancholy .

The problem with that argument, Fred, is that, with 1/7th of the EU's total GDP and population, yet only a 1/28th of a say of what's written on the menu, the UK wasn't able to eat rosbif and had to make do with frogs' legs and sauerkraut instead.

Personally, I quite like frogs' legs and sauerkraut, but I can understand why Dilbert prefers his lamb. :o)

In other words Freda you've had your chips .

You mean frites?

Flaming hell hilary , you Europeans .

Hilary don't apply logic to Fred you know it confuses him.

I'm looking forward to when we've finally left the EU and can cut down on some of our stupid re-cycling bins.

Local councils are mostly driven by the EU to make us re-cycle more of our rubbish. The EU Commission wants much less rubbish to go to landfill and the Landfill Directive sets very tough targets for councils. To force these to be met the UK Government imposes heavy fines on councils for landfill use. This adds to council tax bills and encourages all these different bins.

I don't know about you but I am not too much against land fill because the site's 'hole' can always be earthed over and trees planted on it and which greatly adds to the character of the landscape in most instances too.

They've satisfactorily done this to quite a lot of sites of old collieries. ie just earthed them over and planted trees on the site.

Surely recycling is a good thing, Doc? Surely it's just a case of helping to make a better environment for our children and our childrens' children. And if the other 27 member states can meet their recycling targets, why can't the UK meet them too?

Or maybe you just don't like it because it's an EU law rather than a UK law?

And here's a clue, if you don't like all of the recycling bins....

Do what other European countries do and put communal recycling bins in strategic locations, buy fresh and local unpackaged food to cut down on packaging waste, and walk the minimal recyclables that you do generate along to the communal bins to help stay fit and healthy, and reduce the UK obesity burden on the NHS.

It will also reduce your council tax as you won't need personal recycling bins, and your council won't have to employ or subcontract to so many dustmen. That's an example of accountable (local) government for you.

I got that idea from my son. The 3 years he spent reading PPE at Oxford weren't entirely wasted on Piers Gav and the Burlington Club.

I just burn it and bury it under the vegetable patch, along with the CF light bulbs. Hasn't done me any harm. Broop quadle smerrrr...Arsenal!

Relatives of the dead woman had gone to the hospital to cancel a debt they had for the medical treatment she received.

“The husband went to the morgue and saw a male nurse having sex with his late wife.”

The unnamed husband told a local newspaper: “I saw what he was doing and hit him. He was moving and he had his trousers down.”

The hospital worker blamed his actions on a trance.

He was quoted as saying: “Something happened. It was like a dream. The next thing I remember was feeling a blow from behind when the woman’s husband hit me.”

The unnamed female patient, a 28-year-old, had only died around an hour before she was targeted.

You do scour the press for odd stories. XL. Was that in the National Enquirer?
On the subject of recycling, I decided to clean my garages today which usually involves moving junk around while expensive motors stay parked outside. I did generate a few things for the tip however. It was relatively quiet at the recycling depot and a hi-viz jacket was sat at the entrance under a patio sunshade. I'm not sure if he was expecting rain because there was 100% cloud cover so no chance of sun.
ID please - You what? - ID please - You must be joking - no, all the councils are asking for them now. We don't want Slough's rubbish here - indeed we don't.
Eventually I showed him my driving licence and was allowed to proceed and dispose of my plastic boxes. Next time the rubbish goes in the bin.

No, I don't scour the press for odd stories, IT.

Generally speaking, I use just two main portal links:

1. https://www.thepaperboy.com/uk/front-pages.cfm

and then I select what looks to me to be the most interesting.

2. http://www.thebigproject.co.uk/news/#.WejeRWhSxaQ

Here, I usually select 'NewsNow' or maybe one of the other newspaper links.

3. I also use a link to my own local newspaper's web site.

Anyone see that Labour MP on QT last night telling everyone how all the planes in the UK would be grounded the day after Brexit if we didn't have a deal ?

If we assume the silly bugger is right , does that mean we can all go on holiday a few days before Brexit , get stranded in say Cyprus and stay there at the holiday companies cost until they find a way of bringing us home ?

Oh and guess what , she's a remoaner ... there's a surprise.

Don't watch it Dil , but does anyone actually reply to these sensational remarks or does Dimbledum stop any reasonable reposte still . I can imagine the audience whooping it up .

I think the only person in the room that believed her statement was herself.

Well that 's something .

Tusk throws a crumb of comfort to Teresa.

European Council president Donald Tusk said they had given the green light to preparations for the "second phase" of Brexit talks, dealing with trade.

Preparations probably mean a series of lunches in November. Must be worried we are close to walking away.

The favoured scenario for the EU is to offer a no/bad deal, and for the UK to stay in the EU. However, the worst scenario for the EU is for the UK to leave the EU with a bad or no deal because German exports will be hit and they'll lose the UK's income resulting in a budget black hole.

The second best scenario from the EU's perspective is a good deal.

So, if I were Michel Barnier right now, I'd be refusing to talk trade and hold out as long as possible in the hope that the UK does a U-turn and decides to stay. If/when he realises that's not going to happen, he won't want to risk a worse case scenario, so he'll change tack and offer a great deal.

And if I were Maggie May, I'd be playing it exactly as she's playing it.