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Tanfield Group - any info out there? (TAN)     

mr mike - 21 Jan 2004 13:49

Tanfield Group is the new company name of Comeleon. As I understand it, Comoleon was getting into trouble so TAN (paerent company?) took over. Since this has happened the share price has dropped by 0.25p each day for the last week or so (on average) and are now around the 3p mark with very little activity.

Does anyone know much about this company or previously held stock in Comeleon? There is virtually no info out there other than on the company website.

cheers

Mike

Big Al - 01 Jul 2008 15:47 - 791 of 1076

1p soon oily

cynic - 01 Jul 2008 15:48 - 792 of 1076

and those that are born here and/or are perhaps 2nd or 3rd generation, and think themselves british, do you regard them as such?

WOODIE - 01 Jul 2008 15:53 - 793 of 1076

Tanfield shares collapse
Created: 1 July 2008 Written by: Graeme Davies
As expected following a hurried statement last week, powered access and electric vehicle maker Tanfield has warned on profits. Sales deteriorated markedly in June, management has put the brakes on its rapid expansion strategy, and there could be job losses. Furthermore, some customers have been slow to pay, inventory levels have risen and supply chain constraints have caused some delays in deliveries.



All this has the hallmarks of too much, too fast, in particular the acquisition last year of Snorkel, a powered-access provider in the US. Working capital has ballooned - there were warning signs of this several months ago - and Tanfield is not getting paid quickly enough by its customers.

This is particularly worrying, as it suggests a breakdown in financial controls, which is often the precursor to financial distress. Tanfield is insulated from that to a degree, because it has net cash on the balance sheet, but the expected reduction in sales and the expected pressure on margins going forward could soon erode that cushion.

The share price performance over the past few days has vividly illustrated the old adage "a share that's fallen 90 per cent can always fall another 90 per cent". A year ago, the shares changed hands at 184p; today they're just a twentieth of that.


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IC VIEW:
FairlyPricedFrom one of Aim's darlings in 2007, Tanfield has become a short-seller's dream of late. Its shares have shed almost 90 per cent of their value in the space of a week, and are fairly priced at 9p.

hlyeo98 - 01 Jul 2008 15:54 - 794 of 1076

6p now...anybody going to buy?

WOODIE - 01 Jul 2008 15:56 - 795 of 1076

not me

scotinvestor - 01 Jul 2008 15:58 - 796 of 1076

shorters have to buy back shares at some pont though

cynic - 01 Jul 2008 16:44 - 797 of 1076

only if the company goes into liquidation or similar and MMs must be stuffed full of stock they would like to unload

skinny - 01 Jul 2008 16:45 - 798 of 1076

Uncrossed @5.53

Big Al - 01 Jul 2008 16:49 - 799 of 1076

Fooked. ;-))

Toya - 01 Jul 2008 17:35 - 800 of 1076

I must admit I was tempted this morning to buy back in but am glad I didn't and don't think I will. It's a great shame as I was very excited by this company a while back. Sadly, I fear it may end up in receivership and be snapped up for next to nothing. Hope I'm wrong.

This is from today's Times:

"After Tanfields 43 per cent collapse on Friday, youd think that the maker of lifts had reached the basement and was ready to bounce back up again. Perhaps, but not everybody would agree with you.

"Mike Stoddart, the Daniel Stewart analyst who famously put a zero price target on Silverjet months before it went bust, would be one. He advised investors to sell Tanfield yesterday this despite the shares recovering 2p to 31p, before todays trading statement.

"Mr Stoddart said that his worries came from Tanfields long-delayed report and accounts, released late on Friday, which showed that even the disappointing 12.4 million annual profit unveiled in April 4 million below forecasts had been flattered by 2.2 million in foreign exchange gains."

(See also Post 758, referring to Mike Stoddart's comments)

required field - 01 Jul 2008 23:04 - 801 of 1076

At the moment, (right now), this is complete over reaction, and some people that have been tipping this one at a 1 can't be too pleased, no debt (at the moment)...a product that everybody wants...still (at the moment) 11 million in the bank...bank facilities available (whatever that means)....reports on a terrible day on the markets...this is not Stanelco.....they might have to sack people in America where they have taken on too much....but the way the market has reacted you would think they are going under....not just yet I would like to think....a dow jones recovery could be coming in the autumn, so 5p....5p...really crazy,....(just my opinion)....!.

WOODIE - 02 Jul 2008 07:43 - 802 of 1076

Andrew Hill in the FT:

Tanfields wider message to industrial companies is a grim one: the credit crunch has arrived. It caught up swiftly and shockingly with banks and builders in March, just as they thought they had found a way through the first squeeze. For industrial companies, the point of impact was last month. Tanfield was caught by surprise when customers of its powered access division started delaying and cancelling orders, or found themselves unable to pay for them. But the picture is also reflected in yesterdays official figures indicating that UK manufacturing activity weakened sharply last month. That this coincided at Tanfield with supply chain problems and higher raw material prices looks like bad luck. But the board and managements judgment also looks flawed.

Since May, Tanfield has been under pressure to pull in its horns, strengthen its board, reshuffle its advisers and improve communications. For evidence that Tanfields infrastructure was underpowered by comparison with its vaulting ambition, look at its reaction to last weeks shock profit warning from Oshkosh, its US-based rival. Oshkosh is better resourced in investor relations and governance. But for Tanfield to wait four-and-a-half days to explain its own problems was unforgiveable.

Mr Stanley former chief executive, now chairman and, like at least two of his board, a luminary of the north-east business community took much credit for Tanfields aggressive expansion. The group itself describes him as a visionary entrepreneur with a can-do attitude. His vision having failed him, he can do one thing now: take the blame.

hangon - 02 Jul 2008 09:44 - 803 of 1076

oilyrag has it about right IMHO - the trades today are wavering (tech term) about 8 - 8.5pence . . . . . and the City poured money into this at 1.60 (DYOR) only last year! I wonder if the City finance bosses will stop their(own) bonuses this year?
Looks like Snorkel was a Buy too Late - hadn't we heard NRK was sick and Credit-crunch in USA....about to reach here? Of course S was for Sale - prospects low, but here in the UK - - - no bother.
I suspect we didn't have a clue..... and - - -- is this a stonking Buy?
- well they have little Debt ( smart move raising Cash, eh?)
- and abt 11m in the Bankl - that's about 2p per share
- but we don't like their inventory of unsold stock - maybe they'll start a HIRE business?
-odd that 18% shareholder Dir sold almost all his holding then....nice! ( and Grr!).He stll has more than I - but doesn't everyone?
+Ah well, 2009 may restore my sanity.
DYOR on this one - already nasty volumes.

re Andrew Hill (in FT Today, posted above)
Nice piece, correctly paints City view I guess - pity City didn't say this a month/a week ago - let's face it the City was asleep on the job. That's our Pension Managers messing up....not their money etc. etc. - Wicked shame, eh?

re. MrMike ( poster 2004 = thread-start )
I know nothing of this takeover and suspect it has NO relevance to today's company - they started building the business with the benefit of H&S Regulation and much Construction excitement - so they pressed ahead, and the City loved it...Look at the SP groiwth - yet supported by Sales to Hire-Co's and large Co's. Management "fault" was in not anticipating the slowdown....a bit like a Burger Seller going for a break just before football match finishes...i.e. entirely predictable....with a little research.

Still, buying Snorekel will be seen as a Smart-Move in 2-years' time, I;m guessing and we'll see a higher sp....probably held-back by this memory.....20p anyone?....50p in 4-years ....who knows what?
Sales in Middle-east are rising, so some turnover may be a surprise! The Arabs don't have a Cash-shortage at the current OIL-price....I bought at 9.4p = a tad too eager...

maestro - 02 Jul 2008 15:33 - 804 of 1076

BOUGHT IN WITH A MASSIVE SPREAD BET...CAN'T FAIL..GO LONG

Big Al - 02 Jul 2008 17:57 - 805 of 1076

OK

Dil - 02 Jul 2008 23:34 - 806 of 1076

Things must be real bad if that plonkers bought in.

goldfinger - 03 Jul 2008 01:18 - 807 of 1076

Tanfield - AVOID
Companies: TAN
01/07/2008

Severely punished after warning on profits and slamming the breaks on its growth plans, Tanfield, the electric vehicles and aerial platforms manufacturer, has spun to a three-year low.

With an already gloomy macroeconomic environment taking a sharp downswing in June, Tanfield witnessed markedly reduced demand from customers for its powered access division. This arm, which makes boom lifts and cherry pickers and is projected to account for 75% of revenues, has quickly been rationalised, with cuts to staff, inventory and expansion plans.

Less hard hit, the electric vehicles division has nevertheless been frustrated by supplier issues, meaning 112 fewer vehicles were delivered during the second quarter than was hoped, and rising input costs. Forecast sales of electric vehicles are now lower than current market expectations, and although enquiry levels are buoyant, these are not expected to convert quickly to sales.

Management has been quick to react to this downswing, which was partially foreshadowed by a similar warning from US competitor OshKosh, and a more prudent and conservative approach has been adopted.

2007 results released in April showed a record US customer backlog of $111m, after the company had delivered 11.9m profit before tax on 123m sales. House broker Cenkos has slashed its 2008 and 2009 earnings forecasts by more than half to 3.3p and 3.5p respectively.

In light of the strong and continuing rise in the price of oil, Tanfield's electric vehicles division remains an attractive proposition in the medium and long term, something that may attract more plucky punters. Most should avoid for now.

Oliver Haill
Market cap: 22.3m
PE Forecast: 1.82
Share price: 6.01p

hangon - 03 Jul 2008 11:09 - 808 of 1076

I'm surprised at the treatment of TAN - it's like rubbishing a respected prize-fighter because he slips on a banana skin thrown into the ring at half-time....IMHO

The "buying/selling" rec. has to be based on the sp "now" and whether it represents good value. what happened to get-here is interesting...but only an indication perhaps of Management incompetance.
They were very smart to use their exceptional sp to raise money in the City (Aug07)...such that Snorkel was bought for cash. That means someone else paid for a potential big turnover. Right now it's true there is little hope of growth...and some orders are still in the yard, awaiting a buyer and maybe a fresh coat of paint.
But this company has CASH! it has enough to keep solvent at least for a while yet - and then, look at the Turnover, (since last year's accounts) - not insignificant. Oh yes the City must be smarting - but hadn't they heard about "credit-crunch" - surely those in expensive cars were savy to the prevailing Market? Most got their bonuses..so they are to blame, and praise heap upon TAN!

This is not like the White Star Line that lost the Titanic. This company is in a comfortable position, following a down-turn they should have reported earlier.

My guess, FWIW is that Management is not trained in "negative Reporting" - so they always make a fist of it.
Is this still a Sell? - - - - at these prices you'd be Mad....unless you know a whole skip-full of reasons not yet Public...do tell. . . . . The projected PE tells you this is a BUY....or am I marching not only "out of step" (which is Good!)...but in the wrong direction (which is bad!)?

DYOR - the Past may yet indicate the future... I hold a few.
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PS
Finally electric vehicles:
This was always a small part of the business, but the Press likes a Good Story and I for one, thought TAN was an electric-vehicle Co with some ladders! For that reason I never bought...since e-v is a niche market and supported only by large enterprises, mainly delivering into London.
However, it is possible this may become their saviour, as Management focuses on shareholder-returns . . . it's something everyone can relate-to. The tie-up with Ford and Manganese (=London Cabs) makes sense as TAN appears to have the electric expertise necessary.

goldfinger - 03 Jul 2008 12:04 - 809 of 1076

hangon, its the cash position and the cash burn of the company that worries me.

Tanfield says that it still has cash of 11 million. So far this year it has burnt its way through 18 million. The management says the focus is now on generating cash. But if it burned 29 million last year when booking a profit of 12 million and if it burned 18 million in the first six months of 2008 (5 of which were good months according to the report) how can it do much better going forward?.

Of course there could be a bid for the whole or part of the company but id be still concerned about the cash position going forward despite what management have predicted.

Best of luck with your investment.

driver - 03 Jul 2008 15:56 - 810 of 1076

Going down again.
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