Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Another close Corbyn ally Ian Lavery in a sleaze row over £165k he got from a union he ran prior to becoming an MP.

I didn't see Fred's post on this one either

251,

I have heard similar words out of the mouths of some con artists and Brexiters' mouths.

Are your words much more elegant?

Ask your wife or partner for their opinion of your flow of language.

Hypocritical springs to mind.

Have a look at Arron Bank's accounts.

How many millions and where did the come from and where did they go?


Perhaps, that is real sleaze or are you can only see what is palatable to yourself?

h/t to pete across the road

The "informed" referendum gets nearer.

If you think they are going to another vote with the public , dream on we did that we are leaving , can't wait . The EU will eventually fall to bits.

The "informed" referendum gets nearer and nearer.

Max,

Remember who is doing the signing.

George it's called turning a blind eye , or selective memory syndrome , or just being a pain in the arse because he hates Tories and will persist with double standards , it suits you see .

Stan what does "informed" referendum mean?

For a tory it is "your guess is better than mine"!

When you get to the bottom of the cliff you will know.

Crap , crap and more crap , the point being that anybody out there Con or Lab or Lib can be seen to be not be up to the mark . To put it mildly .

and for you Fred what does it mean?

Martini,

I guess it's 'informed' because Stan's the only person who's been informed about it.

Matini,

To me, it means a statement of the results of negotiations and possible contracts and regulations which will be applied.

It doesn't mean I don't like what I am being offered and I am puffing out your chest and walking away.

I still think "exiting" from the table without any real ability or influence of the future of "Europe" is stupidity.

Adolescents and children, like football hooligans, lead with their fists, sensible adults when they have problems sit down sit down and examine their "differences" and try to negotiate what is possible and of benefit or good for "all".

The majority of Europe seemed to have grown up, but it seems to me one country is at present is being distorted by an unruly stunted faction.

I hope the extremes of nationalism. "or little englanderss mentality" doesn't prevail.

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Martini.

You seem to consider yourself a bright little chap.

Why don't you settle down in a comfortable chair in a quiet room and give yourself a little shake and work out the possible consequences for yourself?

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PS.

I was born before WW2 and recall the post-war state of Britain and Europe.

Also, recognise the advances made due to cooperation within the EU as well as other parts of the World, but would prefer to get on with my neighbours rather lording myself over them.

That's the belittling part of his show folks .

Another day closer to leaving and the remoaners get louder by the minute.

Get over it and embrace the opportunities Brexit will throw up.

I don't like throwing up or throw ups which are likely to be offered.


But that is your choice.

I wonder if there will be a general election before any "agreements" are signed.

That maybe what Maybe and cohorts of con artists are frightened of.

They will say anything and do anything in an attempt to hold on to their jobs.

From George Osborne's 'Evening Standard' at:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/jacob-rees-mogg-government-brexit-a3665396.html

Jacob Rees-Mogg claims 'irresponsible' government 'wasn't prepared' for Brexit

Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg admits that the government had no plan in place for the British people voting to leave the EU

Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg made the admission that the Government did not have a plan in place for Brexit while hosting a live question and answer session on LBC radio this morning.

During a discussion on Brexit, a caller asked the conservative MP if prior to the 2016 referendum, the government had considered what would happen if Brexit went ahead.

Mr Rees-Mogg, who was on the Treasury Select Committee at the time of the referendum, said he did not think the government had considered leaving the EU and they did not plan for it.

“I think they thought if they admitted they were preparing for a leave vote, it would have boosted the leave vote.” He said.

He went on to say that he believed the government behaved irresponsibly.

“They were so obsessed with their own propaganda that they were very irresponsible in their approach to government," he said.

When asked who he thought was responsible for the apparent lack of planning, he said:

“It was a political decision rather than a Civil Service decision. I don’t think on this occasion one can blame the Civil Service.”

Rees-Mogg said that former Prime Minister, David Cameron, “specifically told them [senior mandarins] not to [plan for Brexit].”

He said he believed that not planning for a leave vote was part of the Remain campaign’s “project of fear,” to prevent the public from voting to leave the EU.

The Tory MP said that he predicted that the country would vote to leave, but was not in a position to influence whether or not the Government made any preparations.

Ha! Ha! that last line is more akin to Corbyn's Labour Party, just ask the students.

Vic, I was trying to redress the balance of Fred's 'hate the Tories' mantra, as you say

How do you know you won't like it Fred ?

Brexit is happening so go with the flow and see what happens.