Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

hmm ... would be afraid to bet on that ....... it's only after the event that people rue the election of left-wing gov'ts as the french found to their cost

Do you mean that the public is celebrating the present neo-con tory government of T Maybe in this country, which is financed and manipulated by individuals from the Cayman Isles and similar exotic tax-havens?

Perhaps, you have been reading the Mail too often.

And you Fred1 must be in the pockets of the Russian Mafia on that basis imo. While I would dearly love to see a huge change in the way wealth and power, (through the legitimized legal powerhouse), rule with puppets like the Royal Family putting pen to paper,to keep the system in place, along with those that suck up to them to obtain gongs of one sort or another, I can see nothing worse than living under a Chinese type of leadership or that of a religious dictatorship.

Power to the (left kind) people Clock. Fred's a big time Corby supporter.

Max,

Try and find your glasses.

You don't seem able to see beyond the end of your nose.

Is it possible these centre grounders could/should start getting some backbone and drift into another new party , or am i way off .(don't laugh)

From 79869----Fred's a big time Corby supporter.

Until the stockmarket collapses should he get in, then it won't just be CLLN jobs and pensions lost.

This could change the NEC. McCluskey facing enquiry over his election. If he loses the seats that the union controls could go back to centrists.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/19/unite-to-face-retired-high-court-judge-over-len-mccluskey-election

De selecting centre MP's could back fire big time on Corby and co.

Go look what happened in Blaenau Gwent under Blair when he imposed someone on the local party which at the time was the safest Labour seat in the UK.

The centre don't need to run off and start a new party , these loonies will get what's coming to them sooner rather than later.

Our local Labour MP had headline that he made peace with Corbyn today , obviously it was that or get deselected i suppose , whether the electorate realise what's going on i don't know , only an election can answer that .

Somewhere in the back of my mind I recall that last week they got rid of an MP for spilling the beans on what Labour are proposing to do to the council tax, ie a massive increase.

They will realise at a local level if their popular centrist MP gets deselected in favour of a left wing muppet imposed on them by Labour HQ if the deselected candidate decides to stand as an independent.

Many / most of the local party would back the independent as happened in Blaenau Gwent where the independent won by a landslide.

Re Len McCluskey, what is notable is that he was elected by only about 5.5% of those entitled to vote. So much for democracy in the union world. Something wrong, apathy or only chase up your supporters to vote?

as fred will avow, those 5.5% were the "representative meritocracy"

Does Fred1 invest or just post on the site, as one could hardly reconcile making money from the working classes and using it to support the Labour Grand Masters.

5.5% is an opinion poll, not a vote.

Been saying that for years clocktower, Freda is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. Plastic Marxist.

Fred's friends..


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/16/momentum-official-veteran-chair-labour-disciplinary-panel-christine-shawcroft-ann-black

A decent article from Moonboot, nail on the head!



The PFI bosses fleeced us all. Now watch them walk away


When contracts fail, the legal priority is still to pay firms like Carillion. Money is officially more valuable than life


George Monbiot
Tue 16 Jan 2018 18.45 GMT


Again the “inefficient” state mops up the disasters caused by “efficient” private companies. Just as the army had to step in when G4S failed to provide security for the London 2012 Olympics, and the Treasury had to rescue the banks, the collapse of Carillion means that the fire service must stand by to deliver school meals.

Two hospitals, both urgently needed, that Carillion was supposed to be constructing, the Midland Metropolitan and the Royal Liverpool, are left in half-built limbo, awaiting state intervention. Another 450 contracts between Carillion and the state must be untangled, resolved and perhaps rescued by the government.


When you examine the claims made for the efficiency of the private sector, you soon discover that they boil down to the transfer of risk. Value for money hangs on the idea that companies shoulder risks the state would otherwise carry. But in cases like this, even when the company takes the first hit, the risk ultimately returns to the government. In these situations, the very notion of risk transfer is questionable.

Nowhere is it more dubious than when applied to the private finance initiative projects in which Carillion specialised. The PFI was invented by John Major’s Conservative government, but greatly expanded by Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. Private companies finance and deliver public services that governments would otherwise have provided.

The government claimed that the private sector, being more efficient, would provide services more cheaply than the private sector. PFI projects, Blair and Brown promised, would go ahead only if they proved to be cheaper than the “public sector comparator”.


More: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/16/pfi-bosses-carillion-money-george-monbiot