Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Like the 30% of the Right wingers in the tory party?

The Moggies or English Nationalist party running under the tory party flag.

I see them as betraying the ordinary decent UK public.

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PS.

Which part of the "story" do you consider to be true?

But I must be careful when I go to the Conservative Club or even talk to my sister.

I don't want to be tainted.


8-)

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From tory HQ.

fred - this is what i wrote .....the story has as much likelihood of being true as being disinformation

i read the whole article in ST and have not changed my mind

Inflexible characteristic?


But possibly an attempt at implantation or reinforcement of an earlier implantation.

The tory smear office is always doing it.

Even getting the lower echelons to repeat their behaviours and mantras. or beliefs.

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and the labour militants etc?
bah!

the story, even if 100% true (unlikely) will neither sway the likes of you or other marxist/militant labour activists nor (of course) the confirmed conservative voter

to the young labour militants and their disciples, they have yet to grasp that you don't get something for nothing ...... for example all this free education, cheap-as-chips housing has to be paid for, while a miraculously transformed nhs is pure illusion

re-nationalisation would be a disaster in the making ...... you love your history, so as i have told you before, try reading Red Famine and the devastating effects of collectivisation (same as nationalisation) of both agriculture and industry

taxing the so-called rich even at 98% or more will solve nothing
borrowing your way out of trouble is a proven route to disaster somewhere down the line

the present incumbents are not exactly excelling themselves, though the brexit situation was always going to be something of a poisoned chalice
for all that, i'ld rather them than being governed by marxist/miltiant trades unions and their puppets

Come on brothers and sisters (and don't knows) to the revolution!

Manuel,

Your parents paid your bills when you were young!

The silver spoon in your mouth tarnishes you.

The state can afford to.help to educate and care for the young and less fortunate of their society.

That is the sign of an advancing society, not a society in retreat like the UK seems to be at the moment and you are happy with.


It seems to me your parents paid over the hilt for you.

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Borrowing depends on what the "money" it is used for and how it is used.

If the "money" is ploughed into the "infrastructure" intelligently at an early stage in a recession it saves paying out some "unemployment benefits", uses "labour" sensibly, stimulates the "economy" and saves or can help develop needed "skills".

If the money goes into paying more to an already overpaid elite that is a "different" matter.

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Open a large "business" work out what the borrowings will be for the first 5-10 years before it shows ongoing profits.

But I forgot the barrow boys in the present tory party leadership. or their donors living in foreign parts", prefer not to recognise the real problems.

Immediate satisfaction often means long-term dissatisfaction.

you really are a supercilious little toad

of course you never tell anyone what you actually DO to help anyone, but merely toss around those tired old marxist cliches expounding the unfairness of life

Manuel.

Carry on with the old worn out tory and fascist mantras.

But, be careful, because you seem to be becoming a more and more self-inflating boring old toad, which is likely to burst at a moment.

Ughgh.

You really would prefer Jacob Rees-Mogg MP I suspect Fred1 that TM, and if your friends think JC can pull a stunt over Europe that most Labour supporters in the North never wanted or voted for, you are likely to get an even stronger Conservation Government with Jacob leading the Party imo.

but fred is more than happy to profit from the capitalist system of buying shares both directly and through his pension fund

and of course, not a word as to what he DOES to help the "poor downtrodden" ..... in all likelihood, perhaps a few pennies to the socialist worker fund or somesuch

PS.

It is easy to look down on you!

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cynic, I was under the impression that Fred1 has been drawing a pension for some time.

I expect like so many Left Wing Socialists I have come across over the years, they for example are the ones that when they get their hands on a bit of property charge the highest rents and bleed the vulnerable dry, and leave the properties they own in damp and dilapidated conditions they can get away with, and boast about it saying things like
"it`s only for the workers" when they have to replace anything. Meaning, I do not want to spend more than a cent more than I need too as I want to screw my former fellow workers for every penny I can.

Same with their pensions and Tax, they want young struggling people to pay for their high standard of living - on the bases - "we worked for it and are entitled to it" .

surely derek hatton was not that bad?

a left-wing gov't would assuredly tax heavily pensions over and above some arbitrary level ...... but of course money has to come from somewhere

it's pretty tragic that so many (and not just the great unwashed) think that "the gov't" has some magic money tree, whereas of course, this money tree is just the tax-paying public

btw, i too am several years over pensionable age, but (choose to) continue to work full time - yes, i do occasionally skive, but then it's my company :-) - so continue to feed the money tree from several sources

How exactly do old toads self-inflate? Maybe there's a YouTube video?

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it depends what they have been eating :-)

You are a virtuous little guy.

Pity there is no magic money tree, but you advertise your deep pockets often enough and perhaps, when the day comes, the public will be able to milk you for a little more.

God help your wife when you retire.

Perhaps, she will pack your sandwiches and point to the door.

Fred1, can it be assumed that you do not like cynic or the views expressed as much as cynic seems to needle and bait you to a point of showing your true blue colours.

most times i don't bother with fred and his posts at all ...... he's totally predictable and above all, never gives a straight if any answer to a direct question .... that is just tiresome and dull

fred is far from stupid and he's more than welcome to his political opinion, but i'ld never want to waste any leisure time on him, for no entertaining two-way conversation would be possible

Manuel,

Don't be so damning to yourself.

You often bring a smile to my face.

As far as my political positioning is concerned you haven't got a clue,

I have been exposed to both "said communism" and "said capitalism". The first was for a limited period only, but for me, the exponents of both in practice seemed to have much in common, ie. self-interest which meant a pragmatic method of keeping their actions beneficial to their own.

Both sides often relying on their experiences of what they knew or thought would be personally advantageous to themselves.

I have experience of families split by their "political" allegiances, some holding "strongly" opposing ideological positions and held high ranking party or legal positions in a communist regime and others holding opposing views and similar positions "outside" the system.

All were able to sit at the same table and enjoy the same wine, meal and the company of one another. Politics mention only in passing when in the "communist" state.

My own political position is fluid and I question dogma whether it be religious, "moral" or political.

Of course, you are entitled to hold your own beliefs and venerate your own icon or golden calf.

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Have a better day.