Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Perhaps is a very long word for some!

PS.

Have you started Tennis lessons?

re: #80545


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/05/man-78-bailed-over-fatal-stabbing-of-suspected-burglar


Q&A
What is the law on self-defence?



A householder’s right to use force in self-defence when confronting a burglar in their home has been strengthened repeatedly in recent years.

Since 1967 it has been legal for anyone to use “reasonable” force to prevent crime or to apprehend an offender.


The controversy over the Norfolk farmer Tony Martin, who was jailed in 1999 for murder after shooting a teenage burglar as he fled, turned the legal definition into a hot political issue.

Martin was initially jailed for nine years but that was reduced to manslaughter on appeal and his sentence cut to three years.

The case provoked a series of legal reforms. The last Labour government enacted section 76 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008, which enshrined the common law of self defence into statute, permitting the use of reasonable force when a defendant is confronted in their home.

The coalition government introduced extra protections. The justice secretary, Chris Grayling, supported a further clause, which came into force in 2013, permitting householders to resort to “disproportionate force”.

That principle was tested by the case of Denby Collins at the high court in 2016. Collins allegedly broke into a home and was restrained by the householder in a headlock which left him in a coma.


A legal challenge brought by Collins’ relatives claimed the law was incompatible with the right to life as guaranteed by the European convention on human rights.

But the judges ruled that force was not necessarily unreasonable and unlawful “simply because it is disproportionate – unless it is grossly disproportionate”.

How much force does it take to shove a screwdriver into a burglar's chest?

Varies really - all dependant upon your personal strength - and your attitude to being burgled.

If my home ever got burgled the amount of force would be less for me than it would be for my wife.

The amount of force necessary for our dog to sink it's teeth into a burglar's leg would be less than it would for my neighbours stupid little 'yap, yap, yap, yap,' Bichon Frise too.

a very pretty bichon ..... but yes they do tend to be very yappy

A man's dog is needed. It is the potential burglars that run away yelping.

Comment from across the road re the old bill:


Cant escape the irony that the only suspect arrested in London following 39 murders was a 78 year old man defending his home and sick wife from intruders.

Also, while most folk accept that it's black gangs gone savage, Divid Lammy, black labour mp, blames Russia.


Come on Fred, you must have something to avoid.

Pathbleedingetic.

Every now and again, the Graun comes up with an interesting article about how things are in the real world. This one is about Mananaland, but it could read just about anywhere. Drugs, gangs and money, nice mix.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/04/spain-la-linea-drug-trafficking-gibraltar-hashish

max - interesting wireless interview yesterday about how glasgow has reversed violent crime, though it took about 5 years to happen

in fact, you can find that info via the link below
https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2017/dec/03/how-scotland-reduced-knife-deaths-among-young-people

well worth reading

The way to reverse crime is to kill all the criminals......the figures might look bad for a short time....but you get a result......also depending on how you vote : organise the cull in the years running up to an election : success guaranteed !....

haha, but i am being serious for a change

Thanks c, I'll have a look.


https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2017/dec/03/how-scotland-reduced-knife-deaths-among-young-people

Career criminal stabbed to death in botched burglary at pensioner's house 'didn't deserve to die.

A career criminal who was stabbed to death during a suspected burglary of a pensioner’s house didn’t deserve to die, his family has said.

Henry Vincent, 37, died after being stabbed during a botched raid at the south-east London property of Richard Osborn-Brooks in the early hours of Wednesday.

Mr Osborn-Brooks was arrested on suspicion of murder and released on bail pending further inquiries on Thursday, the Metropolitan Police said.

It has emerged that Vincent, from Kent, was a career criminal who was wanted by Kent Police investigating a distraction burglary involving jewellery and valuables stolen from a man in his 70s.

According to reports, members of his family were jailed for a total of almost 29 years in 2003 after conning pensioners across Kent and south London out of nearly £448,180.

But relatives of Vincent, who is believed to be a father of three, said he didn’t deserve to die.

An unnamed cousin told the BBC: “The Henry I know, he was such a loving person, and it’s probably something which just went wrong but he shouldn’t have died out of it.”

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Such a loving person that he breaks in to a house armed with a screw driver where two old folk live the lady with dementia .
I think what happened to him was justified .

That pensioner should get a medal for bravery and a cash reward for saving the tax payers money on jail cost and more police time wasted on the now dead burglar in the future.

Burglars family are a disgrace to society too.

Has Corbyn stuck up for him yet ?

Wouldn't surprise me.

corbyn's right hand fred will speak up for him i'm sure

East London.

Hell hole.

Go in to see my beloved team for a few hours then off down the frog and toad asap.

Shameful how its gone.

£14B spent on overseas aid to supposedly help turn the Somalia's of this world into places fit to live while lack of effective policing is turning parts of London into little Somalia's. Explain that logic.

I think we should change the laws to allow lynching.

Could start with some on this board as we have sufficient flaky evidence against them which would support any action.