Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I love the Mogg ,he would make a great PM .

Hands up.. who has a pin-up of RM on their bedroom wall?

I've got one of him sitting astride a Triumph Bonneville , in leathers .

Here is Mogg's motorbike

I hope he rides it to the HP one dark night!

Is that your back yard Hays ?.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42014209

Seems reasonable.

Lloyd Blankfein is an American who lives in New York. Brexit has got fcuk all to do with him!

Irrelevant.

Yes. You are.

Typical abuse.

For the conned little tories.

Their heroin!



Accounts for the delusions.

Look to your own side first Fred:

The tories might be in a muddle, but Jeremy's outfit are a shambles by any measure.

btw, that looks like Michael Foot in the cartoon (another exiteer)

Max.

I was taught to look at all sides of a coin before accepting it at face value.

You could try doing the same sometimes.

Fred
You need to practice more of what you were taught, atm there is very little evidence of you looking at both sides.

You see : none of this Brexit (if I can call it like that) would have happened if the EU had dealt with illegal immigration and those undesirables crossing the med !.....they just don't get it : WE DON'T WANT THEM.....but no....and here we are....all the politburo moaning about the UK leaving .....illegal immigration was top of the agenda for the undecided voters (myself included)....and that's what made the difference in the end.....the thing is is to make sure that those in power respect the wish of the majority.....but I fear that those in charge just want it to be brexit without the exit.....

And how exactly is Brexit going to stop illegal immigration???

Some will have to queue up at the border to escapes through customs.

I think everybody should be returned to their country of genetic origin.

It wasn't 'illegal immigration' for our household:

1.The EU isn't democratic organisation.

2. We surely ought to be able to put a limit on the number of immigrants allowed to come into our country. The EU told us we couldn't.

Here it is in a bit more detail:

Cost. The costs of EU membership to the UK is £15bn gross (0.06% of GDP) – or £6.883 billion net. The ONS has estimated a net contribution cost of £7.1 bn.

Inefficient policies. A large percentage (40%) of EU spending goes on the Common Agricultural Policy. For many years this distorted agricultural markets by placing minimum prices on food. This lead to higher prices for consumers and encouraging over-supply.

Problems of the Euro. Membership of the EU hasn’t necessarily meant membership of the Euro. However, the EU has placed great emphasis on the single currency. Euro membership has proved to have many problems and contributed to low rates of economic growth and high unemployment across the EU. Witness countries like Greece, Spain, Italy

Pressure towards austerity. Since 2008, many southern European countries have faced pressure from the EU to pursue austerity – spending cuts to meet budget deficit targets, but in the middle of a recession these austerity measures have contributed to prolonged economic stagnation. In particular, Greece was forced by its creditors to accept austerity when some economists have argued this was counter-productive.

Net migration. Free movement of labour has caused problems of overcrowding in some UK cities. The UK’s population is set to rise to 70 million over the next decade, partly due to immigration (of which 50% is from EU and 50% from non-EU). Immigration has helped to push up house prices and led to congestion on roads. The concern is that in the EU, the UK is powerless to place a limit on immigration from Eastern Europe because free movement of labour is a cornerstone of the EU.

More bureaucracy less democracy. It is argued that the EU has created extra layers of bureaucracy while taking away the decision-making process further from local communities. For example, the British Chambers of Commerce has estimated that the annual cost to the UK of EU regulation is £7.4bn (ie. our net contribution). The introduction of Qualified majority voting (QMV) means that on many decisions votes can be taken against the public interest of a particular country.

All in all, the EU is run in a way which is just not democratic.