Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

again from the guardian ......
Labour peers launched an attack on the party leadership last night, accusing it of “paralysis” and “cowardice” over Brexit policy, as bitter recriminations over disappointing local election results burst into the open


and then from the observer .......
The Observer understands that more than 40 Labour peers are ready to back a cross-party amendment to Brexit legislation that would instruct the government to begin negotiating future UK membership of the European Economic Area (EEA).
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But the peers have reacted furiously after being told that the leadership is instructing peers who take the Labour whip to abstain in the vote on Tuesday, meaning it will not be passed



certainly supports fred assertion that corbyn runs a democratic system and party that fully reflects its members views - NOT!!

fred will now have to determine whether to give a proper answer to the above
no he won't!
it'll just be the usual sidestep and swipe at me or the tory party, or indeed anything to avoid giving a straight answer about why corbyn's tactics are so wonderful and fully reflect the labour party's views

Manuel.

(Briefly.)

You are beginning to remind me more and more of Toad of Toad Hall.

But, with your obvious omniscience, any opinion other than your own will appear invalid to you.

It seems that the number of Labour peers advocating differing opinions to those held by the leadership and thought to be currently held by Corbyn and his supporters regarding what "should be" negotiated is approximately 40 i.e. less than 25% of the total thought to be labour members of the House of Lords.

For me, the basis of democracy of is actions carried out based on the opinions and decisions of the majority of the group considering the “problem”.

That does not preclude the rights of the minorities to advocate other opinions and actions and persuading other to review their “positions”.

Governments come and go. Choices and opinions change and mature and consequently, actions can be modified.

(Maturing.)

Consider the ongoing “ditherings”, which are reported by the media of the confusion in the present inadequate tory cabinet and its party, dominated more and more by neo-cons, over the direction of “Brexit” and what it means, to all and sundry with the possible subsequent economic consequences for the UK. economy.

Then coupled with the inadequate and changing information being published by them it is probably sensible or Corbyn and followers not to come to hasty conclusions and statements of action.

The government formed after the next General Election will have a hell of a mess to clear up.

But as it seems to me that you are a far right neo-conic faithful of a more and more split party and many of which are intolerant of each other. Many think such groupings are unfit to govern.

It seems to me, you are probably unable to admit your own failings of self-aggrandizement, but if you make snide remarks expect to be responded to similarly.

Address the disagreements and you may or may not get a different form of response.

Geez , Corbyn is and always has been a leaver.

If he had come out and backed leave at the referendum and chucked the Labour Party bandwagon behind it too then he'd probably PM by now.

What a dick ! Too late now he missed his chance.

fred - there can be no arguing, except perhaps by you, that the bulk of labour MPs supported Remain ..... it is equally unarguable that Corbyn's support for the Remain campaign was lukewarm at best (he is a Leaver), which demolishes your claim that he runs a democratic party and reflects its views

your usual derogatory nonsense gets the attention it deserves, as it almost verges on the tourettes

no sign of "priggy poo" today?

A breakthrough in the management of diesel emissions has been announced today, enabling diesel cars to undercut future limits for nitrogen oxide (NOx) by almost 90 per cent.

Cars must currently emit no more than 168mg/km (milligrams per kilometre) of NOx.

In 2020, that limit will reduce to 120mg/km in real-world driving tests, and 80mg/km in lab assessments. But new technology developed by Bosch allows a diesel VW Golf to emit just 13mg/km of NOx in mixed driving conditions, measured using the latest RDE paradigms.

This is absolutely great news.

More HERE

to amuse you, but it's true ...... you may know that i don't follow footie at all ...... while i was having breakfast, a chap comes over and asks if i am ????? ..... i kept asking who until he almost spelled it out (some premiership manager) and i then had to disillusion him :-)

It must be the haunted look that every PL manager has, C.

there is actually a resemblance, but it amused me greatly as i hadn't a clue who he was talking about

I would have said yes and given him their autograph :-)

"He’s very much his own person,” said Mr Griffiths (leader british communist party), when asked how close Mr Corbyn was to the party. Still, he acknowledged there were “no major differences on immediate issues”, including their shared opposition to Nato and nuclear weapons. And possibly Brexit, too.

Jacob does it again with another fabulous speech railing against those who would fetter the free speech of the press.

And particularly directed against Labour for being especially funded for it by Max Mosley, who has donated £540,000 to the Labour Party - but we all know of us know why he did that. (It was because Mosley was so personally embarrassed by the press when his "German soldiers orgy" was leaked to them and about which he hadn't even told his family he was having it, for some reason)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6250609/tory-mp-jacob-rees-mogg-blasts-labour-for-being-in-bed-with-disgraced-racist-max-mosley/

i know The Times is no longer the impartial trumpeter of old, but nevertheless, the following from yesterday is interesting ...... note that this lead has now existed for several weeks ...... by this stage of a parliament, the opposition should have a comfortable lead ...... clearly the general public do not care one little bit for corbyn and his retro-marxist policies, nor i suspect for his public persona ...... it says even less for corbyn/labour that the tories lead moderately well despite the various messes that they have made of a number of issues (not all entirely of their own making) ........


YouGov/Times – CON 43%, LAB 38%, LDEM 9%
10 MAY 2018
YouGov’s weekly poll for the Times has topline figures of CON 43%(+1), LAB 38%(nc), LDEM 9%(+2). Fieldwork was Tuesday to Wednesday and changes are from last week. While the changes themselves are insignificant, margin-of-error stuff, it’s worth noting that this is the fourth YouGov poll in a row with a Conservative lead of 4 or 5 points, so it looks as if, beneath the noise, the Tories may have genuinely opened up a small lead over Labour.

The same movement is apparent in the best Prime Minister rating. Following the general election Jeremy Corbyn had cut Theresa May’s lead on the measure down to single figures, but it has gradually inched back up again, and in the last couple of months Theresa May seems to have had a steady double-digit lead.

Don't worry, before the next election Labour will think up a new lot of free goody bags to sway those that expect something for nothing, which is an increasing proportion of the electorate.
Venezuela managed to get into the bankrupt position it is today based upon similar policies. Even used to send free heating oil to the "poor" of NYC, as well as petrol for home consumption cheaper than water. If the last Liebour lot left no money in treasury, imagine the current rabble.

many things change even in a week, but it was interesting nevertheless ........ currently sitting in dubai airport ...... back in uk this evening

I'll meet you at the airport with a sign "Jose Mourinho".

even i have heard of him ....... i see this chap was sacked from wba :-) ....... tony pulis ...... is he doing any good for middlesbrough now?

Tony Pulis. He looks like the guy that comes to clean my windows. Likes to wear a baseball cap. Once played for Happy Valley in Hong Kong. I always thought that was Sarah Lancashire's place in Yorkshire.
Puliss has been managing for about 25 years and is known as a fill-in appointment, ie cheap. Has worked at 10 clubs, Stoke City twice - gluttens for punishment. Must be due to move on from 'borough. Never mind, just think of all that redundancy pay.

typical policy of corbynista labour ......
typical politics of envy and how to stultify any ambition to better oneself .......

ST Rich List just published, shows that 94% of the top 1,000 are self-made entrepreneurs

Shadow Cabinet Minister Jon Trickett says, "..... elite pinching wealth from the pockets of ordinary working people. Labour will overturn the rigged economy ....."

instead, the self-made (in particular) should be roundly applauded and held up as an example of what can be achieved with much hard work, dedication, and of course a modicum of luck in one form or another

Many Mafia bosses were self-made.

Hitler, I believe was said to be a self-made man.

Were you there at his conception?