Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I'm sure you are right hilly, but it seemed apt given that you appear to be comfortable and don't really give a shit about anyone less fortunate than yourself.

You wont find this on mainstream news, but it might give you pause for thought...cos, if everything is rosy, why would they even think of getting rid of this protection?




ECB Proposes End To Deposit Protection


by Tyler Durden

Nov 19, 2017 10:46 AM



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-19/ecb-proposes-end-deposit-protection

Merkel not doing well either failed talks at home , interesting times .

So Max,

Given that you clearly do care about those less fortunate than yourself, you're happy that a number of eastern European countries with next to zero GDP, and an unskilled population that had spent 8 hours a day for the last 30 years queuing for a loaf of bread, was allowed to join the EU so that hundreds of thousands of their people could emigrate to the UK to get free housing, claim benefits, get free healthcare, and wash cars for cash?

Personally, I wasn't happy about it all, and I'm not ashamed or embarrassed to say it, and I think that expansion of the EU was the point in time that the wheels started to fall off the EU bus.

Max post 8104.....Alarm Bells.....Alarm Bells......Alarm Bells!

The problem with immigration is who you let in ?....without being or sounding racist : do we want our country overrun with people from Africa ?......France has a huge problem that as the Germans having let in a million or so illegals from god knows where : they are just crossing the rhine with nobody stopping them....then they need housing (jumping the queues for ordinary French people that are hard up...) feeding..clothing...money...kids have to go the school....no job prospects.......it's nightmarish when you consider all these things....most of this is hushed up.....do you ever see a program with these enormous EU problems highlighted ?...hardly ever....

I am not a racist but!!!!!!


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Mind it might be all over for some shortly.

Guess what ?...not 20 seconds ago...mobile call....Asian or African voice...are you on housing or pension benefit...?....dodgy basically call trying to fraud as usual.......this is what you get when you let these dodgy illegal mongrels in....

Fred I'm not racist but....just do us all a favour and bugger off back to Wales :0)

I don't know rf, I get many emails from nice african gentlemen offering to give me £1M. Sometimes more if I help them just a little. They can't be all bad.

rf,

How do know the dodgy illegral mongrels were actually calling from inside the UK?

Normally fyi, they call from India, and are paid by UK-based CFA lawyers per solid lead.

Perhaps, after the exit the UK can become the new base for the con artists to operate from.

After all the city has to have something to occupy their time.

VICTIM - 20 Nov 2017 08:31 - 8102 of 8114
What about all these machines and robots that are going to take over then , massive unemployment in the future ? . People too much time on their hands not good .

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A government backed masturbation campaign - prescribing 5 a day. Keep the people busy and too tired to riot.

Cheers,
KidA

There's enough of that going on now KidA especially in the corridors of power .

Hils , how can you say we already have control of our borders when we have to let every Tom , Juan and Pedro in from the EU whether we want them here or not ?

VICTIM - 20 Nov 2017 11:57 - 8116 of 8117
There's enough of that going on now KidA especially in the corridors of power .

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Plenty of tossers in the Houses of Parliament so the expertise is there, it is just whether they can overcome divide and agree on method.

Cheers,
KidA

Dilbert,

You're not part of Schengen, so yes, you do have control of your borders. Nowadays, both entry and exit checks are performed on everyone passing through UK border control (unless they're hidden in the back of a truck).

However, there is freedom of movement across the EU for all EU citizens, and if you're a Romanian who has spent years in a bread queue, it's a no-brainer that you'll want to visit those gold-paved streets of London where they give away free houses, money for nothing, and are kind enough to sort out your ingrowing toenails for free. The rule is simple - whatever the UK government gives to UK citizens, they also have to give the same to all EU citizens.

So, as a deterrent to those undesirables, you change your own laws so you don't give all those benefits to anybody who hasn't been in the UK system for at least 5 years. Native Brits wouldn't be affected by that sort of law change in any way whatsoever. Take away the benefits, and they won't want to come, nor will all of the African refugees lining up outside Calais and Dunkerque.

The stupid thing is that other European countries apply those exact same rules, but the Brits just don't get how to play the system to their advantage.

I haven’t joined in this discussion before but this is why is vote for Brexit:

VAT MOSS

This means if a UK vat registered business sells a digital service for 79p, to someone living in Romania, they have to issue a VAT invoice for 19%, and complete a VAT MOSS return so the Romanian Government can get thier 13p by the 20 day after every quarter. This applies for sales made to each EU country. In October I received a rather nasty email from the French Revenue services reminding me of my legal responsiblities to report and ensure payment for the French VAT on all digital sales was made ontime! I then received an email from the UK HMRC confirming that the email was not a fraudulent email, but really from the french revenue service.

BREXIT cannot come soon enough for me.

little woman,

What makes you think that cross border collection of VAT will stop post-Brexit? This could easily be a case of Brexiters not getting what they thought they were voting for.

Aside from the hassle of different VAT rates being applied across each of the member states, it's not just Brits selling to the other EU27 who are affected - distance selling VAT affects any business around the world who sells to any EU member state where the sales total exceeds the distance selling VAT threshold of a particular member state. It's designed to prevent overseas businesses being too competitive at the cost of local EU businesses. So if an Australian or American business wants to sell a digital product in Europe, they need to register for VAT.

European tax authorities get revenue paid to them by HMRC, and vice versa. It's big bucks. As part of the Brexit trade talks, I suspect both sides will be keen to maintain the status quo, and I would have thought you'll have something to that effect enshrined within the deal.

However, there is accounting software available for MOSS which means you don't have to count the beans manually. And if your other EU27 sales are negligable, and you don't want the hassle of MOSS, why don't you block any IP address outside of the UK from your online store? If you don't sell to them, you wouldn't need to comply.

edit: Another option, if you want the sales but not the hassle of MOSS, would be use an eCommerce provider such as MyCommerce or Avangate. They actually become the selller of the goods, and take responsibility for collecting payments, applying the correct VAT level, delivering the download, generating the invoice, and it is they who hand over the VAT to the relevant tax authority each quarter. They then send you the money each month (less their cut, of course), and you forget all about everything VAT related.