Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Manuel.

PS

Why do some Muslim women wear burkas?
The Koran calls for both men and women to 'cover and be modest'.

As with many other religious scriptures, the reference to dress is open to interpretation and has been shaped by centuries of cultures in different nations.

"The Koran does not explicitly say you have to cover yourself in this manner," Dr Ismail said.

"Some scholars argue that it is a religious obligation, particularly the more conservative factions within the Muslim world. There are many variations and interpretations."

Dr Ismail is a Muslim and has been wearing her hijab since she was a child.

"I'm so comfortable wearing it that I can't imagine myself without it. I wear it for cultural reasons, but there are many women who wear it for religious reasons."

PS.

There are quite a few men and women who I wouldn't mind if they wore burkas.

I go as far as saying with gags beneath them.

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hijab is a bit fluid, but by and large it leaves the face uncovered
it is the niqab that does not and a burqa is the full monty

You may find that Corbyn might lead the government and country back to the promised land.

The title of the contract or deal will be "only slightly different" and the consequences of the "dealing" may be similar to what they are now. The outcome will be that we can't change the menu and will be sitting at different tables.

One in the dining room, one in the kitchen.

But the Brexiters will be able to puff their chests out and shout "we done it".

B. daft.

as i wrote previously ...... if that limp lettuce corbyn had truly represented the wishes of his party by banging the drum to "remain", then that might well have been the outcome

He may well do so after the country has watched the tory party finish tearing itself apart.

Mind some of them like Boris like exposing themselves in public.

Riches to rags comes to mind for the bunch of Mogadons, who are now in control of the "tories" who "never were".

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At what cost?

Negotiations which have been and are a waste of money and could have been put to better use.

P 81099

''He may well do so after the country has watched the tory party finish tearing itself apart.''


Not like the harmony within the Labour party eh! Blinkered or what?

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I see Bitcoin are now pretty much at the bottom if anyone is interested in taking a punt.

Not for me, though. But I do look at the BTC live chart to see what's happening from time to time:

https://cryptowat.ch/markets/bitfinex/btc/usd

i still they're illusional and would not go near them

In not supporting Boris`s right to free speech, you are wishing to curtail your own freedoms. Unlike Boris, any article of dress that covers the face in public, should like many other Euopean Countries be banned. Britian should not allow any section of the community to undermine the values of Great Britain, the country should not pander to the left wingers like JC that show support for terrorists either, or the warnings that Enoch Powell gave many years ago, will come to pass.

The supreme function of any decent statesman to to provide against preventable evils, and to cliam special communal rights leads to fragmentation, and is another form of cancer no matter on what basis it is practised. Intergate and resolve the problems.

any article of dress that covers the face in public, should like many other Euopean Countries be banned

is that not just the start of the slippery slope to intolerance of many things and much worse?

Everyone is entitled to feel secure, and if faces are covered it gives rise to fear and intimidation. If every man, women in the country were to wear fabric that covered them head to toe, other than a peephole for their eyes, I am sure you would start to live in fear that fear of who or what is behind the mask.

Would you fancy going into a police station to be confronted with masked officers if you had been raped for example, or would you be more likely not to report serious crimes of that type of nature. Think what fears children must have if every person they saw outside their homes were to be unrecognisable - can you imagine the freedom this would give to child abusers for example.

as i wrote at the outset, there are certainly some situations where the face should be openly visible

my objection to boris's outburst, as i have already posted at some length, is that it was intentionally and unnecessarily offensive

Boris has a right to express what he thinks of anyones or any groups dress sense. How many times was JC criticized for wearing what he used too, and looking like a scruff.

How many times have women been criticized for wearing next to nothing and being called tarts, sluts etc.? Pop stars like Little Mix using their dress code to attract attention?

There is good reason that faces should not be covered but there is no good reason that what you might think of as provocative clothing being worn, and cast your views as to what is decent and what is not but there are very good reasons that all faces should be visable for security reasons.

Great Britian stands for Freedom for Free Speech and expression, including dress sense but should limit face masks - do you know how scary many people, children included find Clown masks for example - Unlike Boris I would ban the burka & niqab in public and any other attire that covered the face in Public, other than that wear what you like, as much or as little as you wish, as long as all genitalia is covered in public.

an interesting debate for a change

time, place and context are all intangibles and subjective, but have a bearing on this and other contentious or provocative issues

thus, comments such as boris's might well be just about acceptable on something like "have i got news for you" or uttered by a muslim comedian such as omid jlali, due to their context etc

i'm not sure how one draws the line, and i suppose that in general, it is society that does so ...... however, at what point or context does something provocative or in bad taste become bullying or incitement?

When it becomes personal and not when it is a general statement, be it serious or humorous - as who are we to judge if it is one or the other.

because we are part of the society that ultimately determines the rules, though of course those change over time