Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Well maybe that £ 550 million we give then every year could be stopped and used for the benefit of the British people .

I thought all you Brexiters were looking forward to driving around in your multi-coloured tuk tuks once you'd signed a trade deal with India. :o)

Not even sure what we buy from India hils , maybe tea ?

They can stick their call centres where the sun don't shine too , fed up of pigeon English 'George' ringing me up trying to flog me things :-)

I can remember having an Indian Summer a few years ago but to be honest it was something I could take or leave so not bothered if they won't give us another one.

And if they really want to play hard ball I'd put a punitive tax on Indian takeaways.

They can tuk tuk off , why is every Nation obsessed by immigration , i thought we had an education system over here , you know to educate the skills we require .

I've no problem with Indians, it's the racist Europeans beloved of the Remainers/Eurinators.

Poppadoms .

I've noticed, that there are some Indian call centre operatives who do take a great pride in their job and also their use of the English language.

Indeed, most of the Indian ones I've had have been excellent.

Yes but there are over a billion of them , at what point do you say that's enough , they should only come if they are required and educated .

And we are one of the most densely populated country in Europe apparently , and this should be told .

How do you think things would improve under Labour, Fred?

If there is another General election in the next 12months, it would depend on what is revealed as the probable consequences of Brexit during that period and the various manifestoes of the parties.

Hopefully, the manifestos and debate would reveal the consequences and results of "freedom" from being ruled by the EU and replaced by rule from London tory HQ.

Personally, I would like to see a coalition government for a fixed period with "free" vote on any severance of relationships with the EU and elected MPs to have the courage of their convictions rather than voting out of consideration of what is or they think is advantageous to their personal and possible political advantage.

Unlikely, but anything would smell cleaner than the present governing cabal.

And if a free vote goes against the negotiated deal the alternative is no deal.

Instead of sniping from the sides , Labour who according to their manifesto support Brexit should try putting forward some sensible suggestions of their own and I don't mean 500 odd amendments some of which are plain stupid.

A cross party committee should be working on Brexit.

It is the details of what is meant by Brexit is the real question.

For the majority of the UK public the benefits of "changes" could have been achieved while still sitting at the table, rather the tipping what is on the table into the rubbish bin and then scavenging for the same.

Re post 8148

''changes''---Of course they would Fred as DC found the EU is oh so accommodating, and he was asking for diddley squat

We been trying that for years Fred and as time runs down to Brexit day I think you'll find it won't be us scavenging for crumbs.

George,

When DC asked for diddley squat, there was no risk of the UK leaving the EU, so why would the EU give him anything? They didn't need to. That was Cameron being exceedingly naive (or two-faced) imho.

Dilbert,

Maybe you've been trying the wrong way. Instead of trying to change the EU, there is more than one way of skinning a cat. You could've changed yourselves, and got what you wanted, without any of the hassle.

Do you mean "go along to get along" hilly?

That doesent sound like change to me, it sounds like appeasement, rolling over, turn the other cheek etc etc.




And there was me thinking you was one of us. How wrong can you get?

When it comes to sides, Max, the only side I'm on is my own side.

I'm neither for nor against Brexit, and I can see valid arguments for both sides. I guess also that the UK generally feels the same way, otherwise the margin of 'victory' would have been far more decisive than the 52/48.

I am, however, bitterly disappointed with Cameron and the Conservatives. When he took office in 2010, it was on the election manifesto promise that he would get net migration down to the tens of thousands a year. If you don't want people to come to your country, you remove the reasons for them wanting to come in the first place. The Conservatives had 6 years to do that before the Brexit vote, and they failed miserably. That would have been the best way to skin a cat.

And then, Cameron had the balls to say that he would go to Brussels and get an improved deal, and, if he didn't get a good deal, he'd back the leave campaign. Like George says, he got diddley squat, so why didn't he stick by his word, and head up the leave campaign? Your 52/48 would have gone to 65/35, and he could have then gone back to the electorate straight away, and increased his majority to deliver a positive Brexit. Instead, he lied and you've ended up with Maggie Dismay who looks set to deliver a post-Brexit Britain which looks remarkably like pre-Brexit Britain (except for an abundance of tuk tuks and cheap Chinese plastic toys).

Seriously, if I were you, I'd be humungously p!ssed off with your government. And if you've ever wondered why I divide my time between Switzerland and the south of France, it's because I can and the UK sucks.