Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

When it comes to sides, Max, the only side I'm on is my own side.

I'm neither for nor against Brexit, and I can see valid arguments for both sides. I guess also that the UK generally feels the same way, otherwise the margin of 'victory' would have been far more decisive than the 52/48.

I am, however, bitterly disappointed with Cameron and the Conservatives. When he took office in 2010, it was on the election manifesto promise that he would get net migration down to the tens of thousands a year. If you don't want people to come to your country, you remove the reasons for them wanting to come in the first place. The Conservatives had 6 years to do that before the Brexit vote, and they failed miserably. That would have been the best way to skin a cat.

And then, Cameron had the balls to say that he would go to Brussels and get an improved deal, and, if he didn't get a good deal, he'd back the leave campaign. Like George says, he got diddley squat, so why didn't he stick by his word, and head up the leave campaign? Your 52/48 would have gone to 65/35, and he could have then gone back to the electorate straight away, and increased his majority to deliver a positive Brexit. Instead, he lied and you've ended up with Maggie Dismay who looks set to deliver a post-Brexit Britain which looks remarkably like pre-Brexit Britain (except for an abundance of tuk tuks and cheap Chinese plastic toys).

Seriously, if I were you, I'd be humungously p!ssed off with your government. And if you've ever wondered why I divide my time between Switzerland and the south of France, it's because I can and the UK sucks.

The no border problem in Ireland could be resolved if customs were moved to Scotland, England and Wales and the Isle of Man for all Irish trade coming into the UK....whether this would be acceptable to all is a different matter !......it seems it's a real impasse at the moment....and I'm wondering if this could lead to TM being forced to resign or consider it at least.....(hope not as the last thing we need is another election).....

We should ask Ireland to join with us in leaving.

Sorted.

Reasons not to come to the UK; the opposition - Momentum - will finish the job when settled in to Number 10.

Exclusive: Britain and the EU agree Brexit divorce bill



By Peter Foster, Europe Editor
28 November 2017 • 5:37pm




British and EU negotiators have reached a deal over the so-called ‘Brexit bill’, opening the door to a potential breakthrough in the talks this December, the Telegraph has learned.

Sources on both sides confirmed that an agreement-in-principle has now been reached over the EU’s demand for a €60bn financial settlement ahead of a crucial lunch meeting next Monday between Theresa May and Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president.

Two sources confirmed that the terms were agreed at a meeting in Brussels late last week after intense back-channel discussions led by Oliver Robbins, the UK’s chief Brexit negotiator.

The Telegraph understands that the final figure, which is deliberately being left open to interpretation, will be between €45bn and €55bn, depending on how each side calculates the output from an agreed methodology.

Although it remains true that ‘nothing is agreed until everything...



More if you pay: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/28/exclusive-britain-eu-agree-brexit-divorce-bill/

They won't get that much if we don't get a decent deal.

Do you think they'll all club together and give us a leaving present .

Be too busy crying over all the money they're going to lose to have time for that.

And we might be the first but we won't be the last to leave.

Bet we don't even get an invite to the xmas party ... but they'll want us to pay for it.

They can stuff it .

Seems more relevant.

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The Fool On The Hill (Lennon/McCartney)


Apt don't you think? I hum it every time i see one of your post's.

with £50bn now looking to be the agreed divorce bill, both sides will now be able to claim success ....... which of course was always the desired outcome

Lets hope these negotiations take a bit of a back seat , as I think the Cons need to start looking across to Labour shenanigans , I think they need full attention there's a great danger to these Isles from Corbin the Destroyer .

I believe the amount has not been agreed, just the liabilities, which may add up to +/- £50B. I assume also that nothing is agreed until everything has been agreed.

I agree .

I have to disagree .

You cant believe anything that comes out of Westminster, especially from the droids office.

One thing you can count on tho, is the Maybot will fuck it up!