overgrowth
- 06 Oct 2003 22:47
David10B
- 25 May 2007 13:07
- 819 of 2037
As stated AdieH, there really is nothing else to add.
I told you here last week that there were more shares disposed of than that of the EMPIK dumping.
I dont think for one moment Starbucks has them tucked away, or indeed intents to start mopping them up, as Mr Worthington has already stated that COH is now too expensive as a take over target-besides you seemingly can not, as history and proverbs would have us believe, make silk purses from sow's ears
Thank you for your consideration, however I feel that there is far to much unopposed ramping on iii.
Having read the COH thread there it is obviously far too full of ultraist shareholders steeped in fideist aficionadoism, for my taste.
For example not one person there has seriously questioned where the huge over hang of surplus shares may be laying---and what happeds to the current deflated SP of COH if suddenly these shares, about 15 million of them, (the little devils that they may be), start to dribble on to the market?
This could be disasterous for the SP of COH which is already in shell shock.
No Sir, thank you for your most kind offer, but I seriously do not think that my appearance on iii would be welcomed by the grossly over enthusiastic COH rampers, I mean posters there, and therefore my tenure of writing space there would most postively be of a limited nature.
I am quite content, as stated , to sit on the side lines and let the SP talk.
Have a really great day.
paulj
- 25 May 2007 13:36
- 820 of 2037
If only you WOULD let the sp do the talking, David. Sadly, after saying you have "no further comment to make", you lasted all of a day before breaking your silence. With that sort of willpower you must be a tobacconist's dream.
David10B
- 25 May 2007 14:04
- 821 of 2037
Sir I really dont know how you were brought up. However I was brought up to answer question put to me immeduately and respectfully.
Should AdieH find it expedient to ask no further questions then obviously the need of an answer would be rather superfluous, would it not?
It was indeed AdiH who brought COH onto the MRL thread.
Would be much better to read the posts and follow what is going on before passing a comment.
Whatever it is you choice: try to enjoy your day and dont let the frustrations of life get to you-
paulj
- 25 May 2007 14:08
- 822 of 2037
You didn't even last an hour that time. So much for "letting the sp do the talking". It can't get a word in edgeways!
David10B
- 25 May 2007 14:19
- 823 of 2037
Do you wish that I reply to you paulj?
paulj
- 25 May 2007 14:22
- 824 of 2037
15 minutes.
proteus
- 25 May 2007 14:28
- 825 of 2037
I wish for a reply on sales etc
AdieH
- 25 May 2007 15:21
- 826 of 2037
You are banned on iii that is why I suggest others migrate there... Now SHUT up and let the SP do the talking, your a bloody hyprocrite...
David10B
- 25 May 2007 18:29
- 827 of 2037
Banned?????
PLEASE YOU ARE NOW BEING AS SILLY AS YOU ARE RUDE!
IT APEPARS YOU JUST DONT LIKE ANYONE HAVING A VIEW THAT IS CONTRA TO YOURS.
HOWEVER AS A GREAT LADY FILM STAR SAID IN ONE OF THE GREATEST MOVIES EVER.
I do, I can and I will.
Have a really nice weekend.
paulj
- 25 May 2007 19:55
- 828 of 2037
4hrs, 10mins. Afternoon nap, was it? Matron won't be happy that you're out of bed again, David.
AdieH
- 25 May 2007 20:13
- 829 of 2037
Come on Waxman we know its you, you really should consult a Doctor about yr Alto Ego... Remember me from iii I was the one prepared to meet you at the AGM but you didn't/wouldn't turn up... If you feelings about RW are so strong I will ask for special permission for you to attend the next one as my guest.. Have an absolutely spiffing weekend dear chap... you do make me smile... xx
David10B
- 25 May 2007 22:24
- 830 of 2037
Dear AdieH
I can really understand your frustrations, honestly, and I can understand how you are seeing your dreams of hitting the jackpot with COH whither, as does the SP.
CFE entering these markets also does not help you.
If you do not wish to me to post here on the COH tread, then why do you keep coming back with such outlandish, illfounded, provocative claims and statments which prompt a reply????
I am lost to you on that point, unless you, as I do, enjoy the entertaining banter.
However fior the moment, you sir are acting as if deluded from reality. I have no idea who or what Waxman is. Perhaps he was your bad boggyman childhood dream? However I can assure that I am not a reincarantion.
It appears that you and your cohorts are incable of holding a rational discussion without being insulting. I have no problem with that if that is your style, we must all try to live and let live, beside that, after a career in education my skin is quite thick I can assure you.
However, its all perfectly understandable when one considers that even the COH house brokers Numis have called it wrong and are most apologetic on the COH web site( kindly observe that no one is above market forces), copied and pasted, with full acknowldgement, below viz:
NUMIS
coffeeheaven
Attractive buying opportunity
coffeeheavens share price has fallen 10% in the last week. We believe this share price fall is unjustified as the fundamentals for our investment case remain as strong as ever.
Successful placing
Strong macroeconomic environment
New stores / new markets
Strong LFLs
Valuation
A glimpse of the future
Read more in the full report...
Well Sir I have read the report and for the benefit of Proteus who has asked my opinion on the future of COH earnings I respond thus forth:
Coffeheaven has currently 65 stores. In my opinion, given the leasehold costs and start up costs, each store should now be netting at a very minimum, a clear 1000 pounds per week. This is a undemanding profit target, and again in my opinion if each store could not make this small amount it would hardly be worth getting up and opening up for (I base my figures on a fast food franchise, that I am familiar with and currently considering a small participation in).
Therefore with 65 stores, each netting a 1000 pounds per week, we are looking at a proposed nett anual profit of 3,250,000.00 pounds
Before moving on to future projections, I have a simple straightforward question, WHERE IS THIS MONEY?
Forget about EBITDA that figure mean absolutely nothing, lets get down to the bottom line as if your expenses are eating your take then you have nothing, and that is what I contend COH to have.
I would conceed that COH apepars to have a strong LFL sales growth, but as said with no substantial bottom line COH is not working for its shareholders, but working to pay its runing costs.
Unless COH can come forward with positive NETT profit forecasts, (and why not as its seem to be good with all other forecasts) then they can open a million coffee bars as far I would be concerned, as they mean nothing without profits!
Numis has a target price of 66p and a longer reaching projection of 100p per share for 2011, Very very bravely put as at the same time they acknowledge that the branded coffee bar market is set to grow in Central and Eastern Europe.
That means the stiff competition will flow into the COH operating area to naturally follow the potential profits!
Capitalism Sir, does not, and will, not stand still.
Now to be a realist COH has not done that well in delivering profits when it was in an unchallenging market, and leader therein, I do not believe that COH can match, let alone beat any compentant competition.
However that is only my view as I see it. I think that CFE going down the franchise route, as it is, will fair much better and offer its shareholders a more positive progressive mangement style with ultimately a better ROC.
Again its only an opinion.
WHY NOT WAIT WATCH AND SEE?
The market is always right in the long run, and for the moment it is saying the SP of COH is too high, of course that may change in the long run and prove my thesis that the current SP is way too over valued and is seeking its true level, to be wrong
I believe the market is telling us that after 7 years trading COH now needs to be showing profits in millions each year.
Have a really nice long weekend, I am trusting for some good weather to get the new roof on.
AdieH
- 25 May 2007 23:07
- 831 of 2037
You really are a sad loser David, I would suggest you get a life and a hobby as you spend way too much time on here considering your view of COH. Would suggest you get a life and experience also... I am a man of my word and will not continue to post here but will continue a balanced debate on iii where I know you are banned "WAXMAN".... I do hope our paths cross and we meet at some stage maybe at COH AGM but I doubt it because your one of those sad people that hide behind a name on a bulletin board... for someone who has retired you act like a child and i'm begining to doubt you were ever in education... you are a hyprocrite as you said you would let the SP do the talking but continue to post here... I will also inform IanT once again and hope to have you banned or removed for the sake of others on this thread... R.I.P...
bmw325
- 26 May 2007 10:09
- 832 of 2037
Aidie
Everybody knows that Dave the Rave is a numpty who has slagged off COH and the directors since he jumped ship when the SP was 18p.
He is such a muppet that even a newbie can see through him and his rantings that have never affected the SP in any way.
Treat him as an idiot as we all do.
David10B
- 26 May 2007 11:11
- 833 of 2037
Oh dear the child emerges or children emerge.
What you say in fact is that one can have a point of view as long as it agrees with yours.
This really is very sad.
You have my views on a company that you continue to ramp up and in reality has no intrinisic value!
Unless of course you can show this BB different, which of course I would like you!
to.
You continue to ramp this company solely as you are a shareholder(s) and in order to protect your personal interest only.
You care nothing for others whom you may influence.
When I first posted here on COH it was only because of your ramping and then you said---
AdieH - 04 May 2007 17:05 - 568 of 832
Yes institutions willing to pay the current sp for shares, director is topping up again (he knows a thing or two)... Would like to know where the captial is going but hey trust RW with my dosh... Target of 1.00 for me and hopefully within the year... Good Luck.
A pound within a year????? And of course iii other holders like nodding donkeys agreed with you. But of course this is nopt practical to achieve without turning the all important PROFITS!
Read the postings on iii, a continue round of "browen holing"
A rampers Hevaven.
Only one person could see the fall that was me and I said so-In doing so sending you shareholders into a wave of shell shocked insulting threatening posts.
Its amazing what people will do in order to prectect their capital not even caring about others who have been locked into this share at 50p ish.
MANY NO DOUBT INFLUENCED BY THE CONTINUED RAMPING ON III
AND MY JOKER FRIEND EVEN NUMIS CALLED THIS DOG SHARE WRONG!!!!!
AND YOU CAN NOT DENY THAT!!!
So you may slag me off if you wish,. assume I am your nightmare the waxman, assume I held COH (which is rather a laugh). Assume that I am Jack the Ripper or the nautical version, Jack the Kipper.
In fact assume what you wish.
As what remains a constant is that while you ramp this share, and call me names it also reamains a fact that I was only one to call it right!
I said it was a falling knife and it is---ITS DOWN TO WHEN I FIRST POSTED!!!.
That my warped friends is all that counts in this game----- calling it right and not calling names.
Until COH sees a 1000 pounds per week nett profit per store, then clearly it should not be in business.
Have a look at CFE, they seem to have it right.
I will now have a great weekend after making you nice very special people think just a little bit harder.
So while the share price of COH dithers, please continue to treat me as the idiot who politely requested ages ago that you let the SP do the talking.
I trust you enjoy thing as much as me.
David10B
- 26 May 2007 11:25
- 834 of 2037
Oh dear resorted now to calling me the waxman on iii. How desperate can one get?
bmw325
- 26 May 2007 12:39
- 835 of 2037
40p+ once again for COH is just around the corner...do you agree Dave the Rave.
David10B
- 26 May 2007 13:04
- 836 of 2037
Could well be, but then so is 30p and I would not gamble on COH in any event!
I have made my point, not really much more to said unless of course you like going around in circles.
Have a really nice day.
I trust the weather holds for the long weekend, although it does not look too good.
bmw325
- 26 May 2007 14:17
- 837 of 2037
Dave the Rave...is it going to rain in Naples.
Look out for the rats.....LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
proteus
- 26 May 2007 15:37
- 838 of 2037
There are 4 brokers covering this share Numis,Seymore Pierce,Shore Capital and Wood &Co. Three have it as Strong Buy the 4th has not put out a note recently.You seem to be running against the market view 10B.