Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Please think!

KidA,

Those daft malleable creatures you refer to also have a vote. So, at the moment, I'd say the person discounting the reach of social media is Maggie Dismay.

Call Me Dave sussed social media out a long time ago. He may have been slippery, but he made a big effort to engage. Maggie should try taking a leaf out of his book imo.

I wonder how many twits follow Jacob Rees Mogg?

It wasn't social media that was May's problem. It was a bad campaign, poor manifesto and a PM that doesn't do public engagement. Social media is an echo chamber with little sign that it changes views.

Fred1new,

I'd like clarification of your post - 8228, thanks. Oh, and good to see you are a member of the club.

Donald Trump might beg to differ, Haystack. :o)

Well said Hays , I live in a location that had a Labour majority of 93 ish but due to excessive postal begging/warning letters , Corbyn was a threat to EU leaving etc . Labour increased their majority to 9,500 ish it was a poor campaign .

Labour’s slick online campaign outguns Tory press

Maybe settle for a bit of both , but Labour didn't win .

Maybe not. But the Conservatives certainly lost!

hilary,

Agreed, Corbyn is better at manipulating young people. On who, I was referring to this thread, sorry it wasn't clear.

Are we still doing the Cuntbyn, Child Catcher, name calling shtick?

Cheers,
KidA

I know , because of a poor campaign .

Perhaps, Corbyn comes over as honest, which for many is not how they see the majority of the con party's governing elite.

Ha! Ha! Ask the uni stu's. Of course he comes over as honest, that's why they voted for him and then when reality kicked in they realised he had blatantly lied to them.

Like the cons, Farage's mob, brexiters, and fellow fifth columnists?

The difference is Fred, you don't condemn your beloved Marxist party for doing so.

251,

You must be visiting from Fairyland!
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Put your stocking up and wait for Xmas.

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What surprises me about the con party is why they haven't hung Osborne and Cameron for selling the party out on a whim and them b. off and making a bomb for their retirement.

Took their party for a ride.

251,

Representatives of the tory superiority and administrative skills.


"Investors were shocked by the admission that Brexit Secretary David Davis did not carry out an assessment of the impact on the UK when it leaves the European Union".


Do you trust them?

For pitta's sake: EU kebab meat move could make doner a goner


Daniel Boffey in Brussels

Friday 1 December 2017 15.09 GMT




European parliament phosphates ban would sound death knell for nightclubber’s favoured snack, industry warns



It’s the news that none of Europe’s late-night revellers want to hear: the end of the doner kebab could be nigh.


A move by the European parliament to ban the phosphates necessary to keep seasoned kebab meat moist and flavoursome, even after the most arduous periods on a spit, is said to pose a direct threat to the future of the high street delicacy.

An estimated 1.3m doner kebabs are sold every day in the UK from more than 20,000 outlets. The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, was even guest of honour last year at the British kebab awards. Across the whole of Europe, some 200,000 people work in the industry.

In Germany, where the doner kebab is by far and away the most popular fast food, consternation at the development has prompted some apocalyptic visions.

“If the European parliament gets its way, this would be the death sentence for the entire doner kebab industry in the European Union,” said Kenan Koyuncu of the German association of doner kebab producers.



More apocalypse here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/01/for-pittas-sake-eu-parliament-threatens-to-make-doner-kebab-a-goner

And Fred wonders why we want to leave.

8 billion quid a year for some stupid fecker in Brussels to come up with that idea.

Dil.

Before shooting your mouth off once again have a look around and see some of the reasons for questioning the use of added "phosphates".

More recent studies have shown that the association between high phosphate concentrations and higher mortality is not restricted to persons with renal disease; it can also be observed in persons with cardiovascular disease and even in the general population. High-normal serum phosphate concentrations are associated with coronary calcification in young, healthy men (6) and were found to be a predictor of cardiovascular events in the Framingham study (7). Elevated mortality in association with high-normal serum phosphate concentrations was seen mainly among persons with cardiovascular disease who had normal renal function (8) (Figure 1). In the Framingham study, 375 of the 4127 subjects died within 60 months; the adjusted mortality risk was 22% for each 1 mg/dL elevation of the serum phosphate concentration