Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

251,

Representatives of the tory superiority and administrative skills.


"Investors were shocked by the admission that Brexit Secretary David Davis did not carry out an assessment of the impact on the UK when it leaves the European Union".


Do you trust them?

For pitta's sake: EU kebab meat move could make doner a goner


Daniel Boffey in Brussels

Friday 1 December 2017 15.09 GMT




European parliament phosphates ban would sound death knell for nightclubber’s favoured snack, industry warns



It’s the news that none of Europe’s late-night revellers want to hear: the end of the doner kebab could be nigh.


A move by the European parliament to ban the phosphates necessary to keep seasoned kebab meat moist and flavoursome, even after the most arduous periods on a spit, is said to pose a direct threat to the future of the high street delicacy.

An estimated 1.3m doner kebabs are sold every day in the UK from more than 20,000 outlets. The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, was even guest of honour last year at the British kebab awards. Across the whole of Europe, some 200,000 people work in the industry.

In Germany, where the doner kebab is by far and away the most popular fast food, consternation at the development has prompted some apocalyptic visions.

“If the European parliament gets its way, this would be the death sentence for the entire doner kebab industry in the European Union,” said Kenan Koyuncu of the German association of doner kebab producers.



More apocalypse here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/01/for-pittas-sake-eu-parliament-threatens-to-make-doner-kebab-a-goner

And Fred wonders why we want to leave.

8 billion quid a year for some stupid fecker in Brussels to come up with that idea.

Dil.

Before shooting your mouth off once again have a look around and see some of the reasons for questioning the use of added "phosphates".

More recent studies have shown that the association between high phosphate concentrations and higher mortality is not restricted to persons with renal disease; it can also be observed in persons with cardiovascular disease and even in the general population. High-normal serum phosphate concentrations are associated with coronary calcification in young, healthy men (6) and were found to be a predictor of cardiovascular events in the Framingham study (7). Elevated mortality in association with high-normal serum phosphate concentrations was seen mainly among persons with cardiovascular disease who had normal renal function (8) (Figure 1). In the Framingham study, 375 of the 4127 subjects died within 60 months; the adjusted mortality risk was 22% for each 1 mg/dL elevation of the serum phosphate concentration

The kebab story is a few days old but, surely, something that protects the health of people is a good thing?

And why does it have to signal the death of the doner kebab industry? Can't the kebabs be made without the additives?

Oranges can kill , a bloke was knocked down and killed by a lorry filled with Oranges last month sad really , I haven't eaten an orange since .

Oh bugger off Fred if the EU were serious about banning dangerous substances then tobacco and alcohol would be top of the list followed by cakes and other fattening foods.

Lol Victim

They won't be fiddling about with anything British soon ,we'll be out ,can't wait .

Dil,

If you haven't noticed smoking tobacco has reduced over the last 30 years, partially due to increased costs, taxation, and education.

If any government had tried to simply ban "smoking" and completely ban the open sale
of tobacco then firstly there would have increased the number of criminals entering the marketplace and possibly civil "rioting".

But reducing by banning in public places and pubs had been very effective.

Again, pricing on alcohol is/has reduced the amount of alcohol being sold in the UK.

Again, banning the sale of alcohol would again probably lead to "criminality" by the wide boys.


The problem with "phosphates" and some other "ingredients" in food is that the general public, seemingly like you, are ignorant of the contents and harmful effects of some of those ingredients. (Dose related and with many of them and cumulative.)

But enjoy your doner kebab.

But would suggest you have a look at the raw material which goes into some of them.

The problem with EU technocrats is that they can't say enough is enough otherwise they are out of lucrative unelected jobs. Maybe when the Commissions budget is cut post Brexit, it may do like everyone does and trim the fat and cut the nonsense.

She's folded.

From Nigel on the wireless:

2 years extra in the €U, not a transition, any laws/bugeting/other will have to comply with no say.

ECJ will be ultimate arbiter for 8 years, again no say.

Conceded vast amounts of money (no detail)

NI - foggy

No trade deals until 2021 at least

Hilary,

You shouldn't post selfies of yourself so early in the morning.

8-)

That doesn't sound like a negotiation to me , more a surrender , when the going got tough spineless comes to mind .

Man the barricades, chaps. Tally Ho. Chocks away.

It is a breakthrough!

I've sent May an Orange .

Fred's happy, so you know it's a bum deal.