Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Dil.

Before shooting your mouth off once again have a look around and see some of the reasons for questioning the use of added "phosphates".

More recent studies have shown that the association between high phosphate concentrations and higher mortality is not restricted to persons with renal disease; it can also be observed in persons with cardiovascular disease and even in the general population. High-normal serum phosphate concentrations are associated with coronary calcification in young, healthy men (6) and were found to be a predictor of cardiovascular events in the Framingham study (7). Elevated mortality in association with high-normal serum phosphate concentrations was seen mainly among persons with cardiovascular disease who had normal renal function (8) (Figure 1). In the Framingham study, 375 of the 4127 subjects died within 60 months; the adjusted mortality risk was 22% for each 1 mg/dL elevation of the serum phosphate concentration

The kebab story is a few days old but, surely, something that protects the health of people is a good thing?

And why does it have to signal the death of the doner kebab industry? Can't the kebabs be made without the additives?

Oranges can kill , a bloke was knocked down and killed by a lorry filled with Oranges last month sad really , I haven't eaten an orange since .

Oh bugger off Fred if the EU were serious about banning dangerous substances then tobacco and alcohol would be top of the list followed by cakes and other fattening foods.

Lol Victim

They won't be fiddling about with anything British soon ,we'll be out ,can't wait .

Dil,

If you haven't noticed smoking tobacco has reduced over the last 30 years, partially due to increased costs, taxation, and education.

If any government had tried to simply ban "smoking" and completely ban the open sale
of tobacco then firstly there would have increased the number of criminals entering the marketplace and possibly civil "rioting".

But reducing by banning in public places and pubs had been very effective.

Again, pricing on alcohol is/has reduced the amount of alcohol being sold in the UK.

Again, banning the sale of alcohol would again probably lead to "criminality" by the wide boys.


The problem with "phosphates" and some other "ingredients" in food is that the general public, seemingly like you, are ignorant of the contents and harmful effects of some of those ingredients. (Dose related and with many of them and cumulative.)

But enjoy your doner kebab.

But would suggest you have a look at the raw material which goes into some of them.

The problem with EU technocrats is that they can't say enough is enough otherwise they are out of lucrative unelected jobs. Maybe when the Commissions budget is cut post Brexit, it may do like everyone does and trim the fat and cut the nonsense.

She's folded.

From Nigel on the wireless:

2 years extra in the €U, not a transition, any laws/bugeting/other will have to comply with no say.

ECJ will be ultimate arbiter for 8 years, again no say.

Conceded vast amounts of money (no detail)

NI - foggy

No trade deals until 2021 at least

Hilary,

You shouldn't post selfies of yourself so early in the morning.

8-)

That doesn't sound like a negotiation to me , more a surrender , when the going got tough spineless comes to mind .

Man the barricades, chaps. Tally Ho. Chocks away.

It is a breakthrough!

I've sent May an Orange .

Fred's happy, so you know it's a bum deal.

And the border with Northern Ireland will be in the sea and as to where it is will depend upon whether the tide is in or out and from which side of the border you are looking at it. It will not be very wide either. Thickness may be a problem but that can always be ironed out.

Importantly though, it won't be a hard border to find and so both sides and also the Irish side too and the rest of the island of Ireland, will all be happy, to be sure, to be sure.

Mark.

"Tusk said Britain will have to respect all EU laws during the transition, as well as respect its budgetary commitments and the bloc’s judicial oversight. But it would no longer take part in decision-making that will be done by the 27 remaining states".

As stated previously!

At the end of discussions, little in practice will be changed except that the Uk will not
be at the table drawing up the rules and regulations or discussing the menu but still having to stick to the diet and paying part of the bill.

Daft.

Fred.

The UK had little influence anyway, the big burghers are the driving force as you well know.


But just in case you were in any doubt, read this:


'United States of Europe by 2025': German SPD leader names his price for joining Merkel coalition



Martin Schulz gestures after delivering a speech during a party congress of Germany's Social Democrats in Berlin, on December 7 Credit: TOBIAS SCHWARZ/ AFP



By Justin Huggler, Berlin and
James Crisp, Brussels
7 December 2017 • 7:27pm




The man who could be Germany’s vice-chancellor within weeks on Thursday called for the European Union to transform itself into a “United States of Europe”.

Martin Schulz, the leader of the German Social Democratic Party (SPD), called for a new federal constitution for the EU by 2025.

Hours before his party voted to open talks on forming a new coalition with the beleaguered Angela Merkel, Mr Schulz made clear he would demand radical EU reform and far deeper integration than previously envisaged as his price for ending weeks of political crisis in Germany.



More:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/07/german-spd-leader-martinschulz-seeks-united-states-europe-2025/