Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

We all remember this disloyalty from ALL those involved,
the most prominent was Osborne who sold his 'own countrymen'
down the river.....

mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/george-osborne-backs-80m-loan-1415960


EU supplied an 80 million loan at an interest rate of just 2%to
the company in Turkey..

And they DON'T pay tariffs on exports to the EU...

Granny boy.
Any non euro country providing goods to the EU in competition to euro manufacturers of similar goods face tariffs or pay EU charges for the privilege.(Norway). The EU may wave tariffs on some items.
Note the EU set low tariffs on Chinese steel in part due to UK lobbying.
If we leave we will have to negotiate access to the EU market. If we wish to sell our cars etc or other manufactured items that compete with those manufactured within the EU we will face tariffs. It may be that we can negiotate open access if we sign up to all the EU rules and regs and pay a sum.(Norway).
There is no way that EU car manufacturers will allow us free access to their market.

Why should anybody trust George Osborne’s Brexit scare figures?


Suzanne Moore

Monday 18 April 2016 12.10 BST


The chancellor has proved himself incapable of predicting anything accurately. There’s no reason to believe his Brexit forecasts are any more trustworthy



George Osborne claims families will be worse off by £4,300 a year in the event of Brexit. Photograph: Michael Reynolds/EPA



What happens the day after we vote Brexit? The first year? Anything? Nothing? Will anyone actually notice? These are the sort of questions I would like answered instead of being bombarded with fantasy scenarios. George Osborne has said that families will be £4,300 a year worse off if we leave Europe. Will I lose £4,300 from my income then in that first year? That’s a lot of money. No, I won’t. Nor will you. This is a figure conjured out of a Treasury report, forecasting a slowing down of the economy by 6% over a very large period of time. It is designed, as all electioneering now seems to be, to appeal to us purely on base self-interest: “I will vote for something only if there is financial reward in it for me personally.”



The reduction of the EU referendum to facts and figures – and largely figures that are not facts at all, but forecasts made by those who have got it significantly wrong in the past – is but one way this debate is a turn-off. A turn-off manifests itself in the form of turnout so it matters. It also reduces every argument about democracy to one about the economy, thus shutting down any space for alternative visions.

Either this is a huge moment for our country, our identity, our place in the world, or it is about which bunch of managers is more efficient. So we have two elites simply batting imaginary figures at each other over different kinds of meltdown, one financial, the other triggered by migration.



More: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/18/george-osborne-brexit-scare-figures

Granny boy

Google EU notice 812 or EU preference for Turkey goods. Turkeys special treatment unlikely to apply to UK manufacturing.

Imagine Boris negiotiating

Boris . I say chaps can we still freely access the EU market. If we can't I'll...I'll .....oh pish posh pish... I'll leave

EU. Fuck off then.

will.

Tarrifs are a two way street, and seeing as they export more to us than we do to them....who would be the loser?

It is not Osborne making the claims. It is the Treasury who used the Treasury model to make the calculations.

Marx


On the face of it just because we import more from EU than we sell into it doesn't mean we have the upper hand. I understand EU sales to UK are less than 3% of EU GDP.
We have more to lose in sales to EU as a % of our total sales. To the EU, their sales to us is a very much smaller % of their total sales
No doubt an negotiated trade agreement is necessary and will benefit those companies selling in to each other at the current time.
But be in no doubt the EU holds most of the cards in any negotiation.

Spelling correction to previous. Sorry

Right Wingers having a go anything that moves on here.. what fun to see

Stan it's nothing to do with right wingers ,it's about IN or OUT ,oh i forgot you have no opinion ,now shut up you crazy fool.

It's everything to do with RWR's old son and you know it.

IN or OUT :)

In out in out.. shake it all about.

Peace man like wow.

Wait until the knives come out.

Neo-coms against neo-fascists.

Ripping each side of the party apart.

-=-===

Come on IDS and Boris!

Do you two share a bed now as well ?

will10 you are under the mistaken impression that trade is
only a one way street, in that the UK export but they don't buy
any goods or services from the other EU countries...

The fact is the other countries in the EU export more to this
country then we do to them by a huge margin,the trade deficit has risen
to approx 70 BILLION pounds, to around 35 billion exports.

Yes, but that doesent count granny.

will accepts that we buy more than we sell to the €uro's, but that a trade war would effect only us...methinks he's bin reading Cameroon and Osbrowns pamplets.

I suspect a deal is already in the pipeline...the thinking is, I like to hope there are a few forward thinking civil servants.


Whatever way it goes, George is fooked, he will never become prime minister. Which I suppose is a plus.

Nicked from across the road, hat tip to pete.



Live
EU referendum: Tax hike needed to cover £36bn Brexit black hole, says George Osborne

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/18/brexit-would-cost-every-family-4300-a-year-treasury-forecasts/


Osbrown is going to bury the bad news that he cannot close the deficit, onto our Leaving the EU. With an 80 billion plus deficit, and a £70 billion trade deficit, our political class have brought about .They are now going to attempt to say" It's not us guv.

Grannyboy

That is the whole point. In % terms more of our sales are to EU countries than the % of stuff they sell to us.
When we are out of EU any tariffs on our goods going into the EU makes them more expensive. We lose the pricing advantage. If an alternative EU country can make the same product we lose the sale. Our Hondas /Datsuns will be more expensive than their VW and Fiats.
For us we have no alternatives to their BMW. Mercs. If we want them. Slapping a tariff of our own on BMW hurts those that want one in this country.
Of course BMW will lose a sale here but VW will have an advantage in Europe because our cars have a tariff on those going into Europe.
EU has a high value produce that we want. We're trying to sell them a mass market product with a tariff added when they have mass market product (cars) of their own.
We will lose on tariff wars.