Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Ditto Dil.

Ditto from me too .

While on edge there was a headline about another grooming situation happening here with teens , Nationwide this time , didn't look at it but sounds worrying .

BREXIT BOUNCE: Theresa May storms ahead of Jeremy Corbyn in personal poll ratings after Brexit breakthrough

Nothing to get excited about hils even Fred would make a better Prime Minister than Corbyn :-)

You should know by now that I don't do excitement, Dilbert. But if I did, it would probably be the best excitement in the world. :o)

not sure if the above is sad or glad news

given the mess that TM made of the general election and the incessant sniping at TM and the gov't in general that has gone on since, JC and the rest of the labour party should be scratching their heads

i don't know what (small) lead labour may currently be showing over the tories, but i think it's 3% or perhaps less ..... probably an indication that the general public is appalled by the thought of a potential stranglehold by momentum over the labour party

Dilbert's right insofar as the poll is insignificant, and it's not necessarily indicative of what would happen at an election, because there isn't going to be an election just yet.

There are, however, two points to note from it imo.

Firstly, Corbyn and Labour should be significantly ahead of the May and the Tories at this stage given all the negative press surrounding the handling of Brexit. They're not, and the fact that they're neck and neck says as much about lack of public confidence in Corbyn as it says about the Tories handling of Brexit.

Secondly, it was only a few days ago that David Davis was being lined up to replace May by Xmas, but if May is now seen to be garnering a little bit of support from the public, it should stave off any leadership challenge and allow her to get on with doing her job.

Yougov yesterday had 42% Tories and 41% Labour, as usual take it with a load of salt

You have to keep May there as long as poss , any probs get rid , if you got a new guy in and big probs occured your in trouble .

Easy way to beat Labour is to offer all the dim wits the unattainable as Corbyn did last time, plus 10%. After the election, it can be explained as an aspiration, not a promise. They will soon forget as they grow up or bore each other to death texting on their smarter-than-them phones.
It would also help if May actually spoke to the people as if they were grown-ups, instead of repeating stupid slogans.

It.

What do you expect of TM.

Afterall she is addressing her tory supporters.

Here is another poll from yesterday

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (+1)
LAB: 40% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
UKIP: 5% (-)
GRN: 2% (-1)

via @ICMResearch, 08 - 10 Dec

And another from today

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 40% (-2)
CON: 37% (-)

via @BMGResearch, 05 - 08 Dec

It seems our European friends, you know the ones' that are sticklers for getting the so called divorce bill settled, are not quite the sticklers when it comes to their paying of the bill for NATO.
Over 5 years by ignoring NATO's defence payments of 2%, Germany has saved £107b; Italy £68b and Spain £58b. The UK meets the 2% target and covers almost one third of the NATO bill across Europe.

That's because we are fudging our NATO payments. We are now including pension payments and other similar costs in with the 2%.

Now you mention it H, I do recall reading that some time back, I wonder if our friends in Euroland are doing the same, if so we are still overpaying.