Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Granny boy

Google EU notice 812 or EU preference for Turkey goods. Turkeys special treatment unlikely to apply to UK manufacturing.

Imagine Boris negiotiating

Boris . I say chaps can we still freely access the EU market. If we can't I'll...I'll .....oh pish posh pish... I'll leave

EU. Fuck off then.

will.

Tarrifs are a two way street, and seeing as they export more to us than we do to them....who would be the loser?

It is not Osborne making the claims. It is the Treasury who used the Treasury model to make the calculations.

Marx


On the face of it just because we import more from EU than we sell into it doesn't mean we have the upper hand. I understand EU sales to UK are less than 3% of EU GDP.
We have more to lose in sales to EU as a % of our total sales. To the EU, their sales to us is a very much smaller % of their total sales
No doubt an negotiated trade agreement is necessary and will benefit those companies selling in to each other at the current time.
But be in no doubt the EU holds most of the cards in any negotiation.

Spelling correction to previous. Sorry

Right Wingers having a go anything that moves on here.. what fun to see

Stan it's nothing to do with right wingers ,it's about IN or OUT ,oh i forgot you have no opinion ,now shut up you crazy fool.

It's everything to do with RWR's old son and you know it.

IN or OUT :)

In out in out.. shake it all about.

Peace man like wow.

Wait until the knives come out.

Neo-coms against neo-fascists.

Ripping each side of the party apart.

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Come on IDS and Boris!

Do you two share a bed now as well ?

will10 you are under the mistaken impression that trade is
only a one way street, in that the UK export but they don't buy
any goods or services from the other EU countries...

The fact is the other countries in the EU export more to this
country then we do to them by a huge margin,the trade deficit has risen
to approx 70 BILLION pounds, to around 35 billion exports.

Yes, but that doesent count granny.

will accepts that we buy more than we sell to the €uro's, but that a trade war would effect only us...methinks he's bin reading Cameroon and Osbrowns pamplets.

I suspect a deal is already in the pipeline...the thinking is, I like to hope there are a few forward thinking civil servants.


Whatever way it goes, George is fooked, he will never become prime minister. Which I suppose is a plus.

Nicked from across the road, hat tip to pete.



Live
EU referendum: Tax hike needed to cover £36bn Brexit black hole, says George Osborne

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/18/brexit-would-cost-every-family-4300-a-year-treasury-forecasts/


Osbrown is going to bury the bad news that he cannot close the deficit, onto our Leaving the EU. With an 80 billion plus deficit, and a £70 billion trade deficit, our political class have brought about .They are now going to attempt to say" It's not us guv.

Grannyboy

That is the whole point. In % terms more of our sales are to EU countries than the % of stuff they sell to us.
When we are out of EU any tariffs on our goods going into the EU makes them more expensive. We lose the pricing advantage. If an alternative EU country can make the same product we lose the sale. Our Hondas /Datsuns will be more expensive than their VW and Fiats.
For us we have no alternatives to their BMW. Mercs. If we want them. Slapping a tariff of our own on BMW hurts those that want one in this country.
Of course BMW will lose a sale here but VW will have an advantage in Europe because our cars have a tariff on those going into Europe.
EU has a high value produce that we want. We're trying to sell them a mass market product with a tariff added when they have mass market product (cars) of their own.
We will lose on tariff wars.

Maxk

Yes we buy more from EU than they buy from us. The difference is we need what the EU sell us. The EU takes stuff from us because we are all in the same single market and we can produce it at a competive price.
Outside the EU, we still need what we buy from the EU but our sales to the EU has an added tariff. If another EU country can make a similar product for less than ours, including it's tariff, we lose that sale.
We will not put tariffs on airplanes we buy from Europe. But Europe will put tariffs on any airplanes we sell them

Can some of you outers answer me this, If we want to sell into the EU from outside how do we not abide by their free movement of Labour rules?

will10 your beginning to sound like that French minister Emmanuel Macron .