Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

It seems our European friends, you know the ones' that are sticklers for getting the so called divorce bill settled, are not quite the sticklers when it comes to their paying of the bill for NATO.
Over 5 years by ignoring NATO's defence payments of 2%, Germany has saved £107b; Italy £68b and Spain £58b. The UK meets the 2% target and covers almost one third of the NATO bill across Europe.

That's because we are fudging our NATO payments. We are now including pension payments and other similar costs in with the 2%.

Now you mention it H, I do recall reading that some time back, I wonder if our friends in Euroland are doing the same, if so we are still overpaying.

It is correct to include the full cost of the military, including pension, death in service and other benefits . They are provisions and accrued liabilities. Not a fudge at all.

It is a fudge as many other countries do not do it. Also they only started to do it when the UK contribution was spotted as being below 2%.

However, I think it should be part of it and all countries should do similar.

A sensible vote.

A meaningful vote?

I don't like the vote as it could drag Brexit out further.

However as getting back sovereignty is one of my main desires so be it.

It is the beginning of the brexiters end!


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This vote could back fire massively on the remoaners. They end up voting against the deal negotiated and the EU are likely to say feck you we've had enough and you are leaving on the 29/03/19 so take it or leave it.

We then end up with nothing thanks to the remoaners , although that won't be too much of a disappointment for many of the leavers.

Getting your excuses ready for the mess the exiters will have made by the 19th.

Little boys can say "I didn't mean it. Honest".

As I see it, with Article 50 being triggered, the UK are leaving on 29th March 2019, with or without a deal. There isn't anything in law to reverse that. I think the Tory rebels should be ashamed of themselves and deselected for what they've done.

I'm neither a remainer nor a leaver, but I do need clarity for my future. At the end of last week, there was some clarity. Now, there's nothing.

I would have thought so too it was bad for remoaners as it could mean no deal so that's it , don't see many remoaners bragging this up . Looks like some sackings coming .

Excuses for what Fred ?

We're leaving and I'm happy. As far as a deal goes that's up to the EU and not us and if we leave without one so be it , still better than staying in.

This time last year we had the remoaners taking the government to court to try and delay / stop article 50 being triggered ... that went well.

This year we got Anna Sourpuss and a couple of other losers making their last stand ... won't have any effect on us leaving.

Have Corbyn and Labour got a policy on Brexit yet Fred or are they waiting til we leave to tell us what it was ?

I think Labour is prepared to watch the Brexiters, Little Englanders, the thirteenth county and con splitters make a complete horlocks of their "hidden" negotiations.

The Brexiters are still living in cloud cuckoo land and destroying their own nests.

I wonder when the next General Election will be.

Poor old Fred you talk a load of rubbish and as for Corbyn he's always been anti EU ,just treading carefully to keep hold of that brainwashed young uni vote .
Your so gullible Fred .

Labour feeding on scraps really , like scavengers . jimmy he's so obsessed with hating cons and anti brexit that his opinions are worthless .

Plastic Marxist. Day after Day alone on a hill...... :0)