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Yep, good night Steve.

Night John

will talk on the swing trading thread in the morning - are we gonna try and sort a day out this week to get together - pref weds or thurs for me

Yes, I'll try and set it up for one of those days.

i might be going mad as is has been a long day can someone look at the reply from betfair i received earlier Dear Michael

Thank you for your e-mail.

The dead heat rules are worked out based on the number of people tied
divided by the positions available.

In this case there were 4 tied for 4th which as the market was for
top 5 means 2 positions covered. 2 positions / 4 players is worked
out the same as a dead heat between 2 players.

If for example there were 5 players it would have been worked out on
2/5.

In golf the next best placed finishers would have been classed as
officially finishing 8th and therefore not in the top 5.
i feel this is incorrect and not the same as high street bookies the event was the golf 5 places market in the buick there were 4 tied for 4th place.HELP PLEASE

Woodie

Personally think the above is correct and that should have been paid out a place on half your stake on anyone who finished on -9 (Kaye, Rollins, Glover or Mickelson). the rules basically mean that Woods, Green and Olly filled the first 3 of the 5 available places and the remaining 2 places were filled by the 4 ties players.

What are you expecting - to be paid at 5/7 as 7 players filled the 5 positions? if so this is incorrect imo

From betfair rules (go to help and do a search on deat heat)

What happens if there is a dead heat?
A dead heat is calculated by dividing the stake proportionally between the number of winners in the event. So, in a two-way dead heat (2 winners) for example, your return will be half of what it could have been. This can be referred to as half-face value of the bet, or a bet for half the original stake.

For example:

Initial bet = 30 @ 11 (1 expected winner - 2 dead heat for first)

Half-face value of ticket: 30 @ 11 divided by 2 = 165

or

Half-stake: 15 @ 11 winning bet = 165

The profit of the bet equals the total return minus total stake: 165 - 30.00 = 135

When there are multiple payouts, this can get quite confusing.

In a golf tournament, Tiger Woods wins, Vijay Singh finishes second, Phil Mickelson third, but five players tie for fourth. This creates a multiple dead-heat for fourth and fifth place.

So in this case, if you backed Luke Donald for 5 at 10.0 for a Top 5 finish and he finished in the tied group of players, you would receive

Stake x Odds x No. of Payouts / No. of Tied runners = 5 x 10.0 x 2 / 5 = 20

fundy thanks for in depth answer with a high street bookie they would take 4 out of the 7 that would leave 3 then divide your stake by 3 then settle it for all 4 that finished tied.what they done have appears incorrect the bet i had was lucas glover 100 pound backed at 3.00 what they have credited is 100 pound.

woodie - why take 4 out of the 7 not 3 out of the 7 ? that doesnt make sense to me - that would mean they are settling as if one of the 4 tied players had finished 4th on his own

i think your bet should be settled as follows:

2 halfs of 50 each

50 lose
50 at 3.0 = 150

Total = 150-50 = 100

the reason for taking out 4 of the 7 is because the the issue is with the last place 5th position ie 7 finished in the first four take away 4 places that leaves a total of 3 for the last place therefore stake divided by 3.

There's a sad side to this racing game. I backed Toon Trooper yesterday, well clear two out, fell and was killed.
Later on I backed Phar Out Favourite, well in contention three out but probably wouldn't have won, fell and was killed.
Though thinking I was probably in a jinxy day, I backed Umbrella Man a bit later.
Had an attack of Here we go again! when it went comfortably clear in the straight but it survived (and so did I), it won well and all finished OK.
But sad nevertheless.

Schiff

yesterdays racing was at two of the worst NH tracks for this. The fences at Southwell are too upright, which leads to the type of somersault falls that were seen yesterday and often prove fatal. As for Ludlow, having run 3 times in 3 weeks the ground is destroyed and there are potholes all over the course (they dont employ treaders either!). Both of the serious falls there yesterday were as a result of Horses losing their footing.

I have to admit i turned off yesterday as I dont enjoy watching jump racing at either track


The one dayer been good to trade so far, now heavily green on SA and not planning to change it (got to go out at 10am but will leave my stop in the system though dont expect it to be needed)

On the SA v SL cricket here as well.

Had a stroke of luck when jumping on SA before setting off for work at 1.67 when SL were 5 wickets down. The subsequent over 2 more wickets fell!

SA are cruising along and my green is sitting very pretty at the moment.

Nice one bak - you got on earlier than me (the alarm didnt work this am lol) - am on with a nice lump at 1.4 so nice and happy :-)

Anyone come across a live score for the Zagreb tennis?

try this john

http://www.toma-soft.biz.hr/atplive.html

Try this as well

http://www.zagrebindoors.com/indoors.htm

click onto results and then to live scores

Thanks chaps.

liquidity looks very thin john

Managed to get a couple of hundred on Steve - and just in time for Ferrer to break serve. :-)

nice one john good work

thursday good for me - mid morning start?
sctn in danger of failing its breakout and hwy appears to have failed :-(

See you thursday then.

On the basis of the rise in the market over the past few days perhaps not unreasonable for a pull back Steve. Will have a look at the charts tonight after market close.

Neither score card for the zagreb any good now. Just trading from what I can see of the odds.