This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

I've had a look. It is a lot less than convincing.
The evidence revolves around 6 things.
1) USA had planned for faked terrorist atrocities in the sixties to create public support for an invasion of Cuba, among other things.
2) USA had highlighted the idea of planes being flown into the twin towers as a possible terrorist target, and had discussed at length how to proceed in such an eventuality.
3) Many senior politicians changed their travel plans for September to avoid flying
4) The third tower fell even though it was not hit
5) There were an unusual level of shorting activity on air related stocks in the run up to 911
6) Eyewitnesses saw explosions after the planes collided and before the towers collapsed.
I think this is a fair and impartial summary.
1) These plans were dismissed out of hand and those proposing them were sacked. They were never carried out. I see no reason to believe that the same plans would be dusted off and used 40 years later, and no evidence is presented to suggest this.
2) All nations discuss possible terrorist targets, how to try and secure them and what to do in the event of a security breach. COBRA has standing orders that planes flown into certain airspace above London will be shot down if they do not respond to requests to change course. This is a standing order, regardless of plane type, previous communication with it or security status. This would not mean the UK government are planning to make it happen!!
Similarly, The BBC had a wonderful "game show" that invited members of the public to "run the country" during a time of crisis. One of the situations they were faced with was a simultaneous attack on the London underground, and other transport links. This does not make the BBC complicit in the atrocities of 7/7.
3) All this really indicates is that the USA knew of an imminent terrorist threat to aircraft, nothing more. This should not suprise anyone.
4) The NYFD made the decision that as the building was evacuated and they were stretched beyond their ability to cope, they would allow the building to burn itself out, in the full knowledge that it would collapse, but was probably structurally unsafe anyway. The fire was caused by burning debris and burning aviation fuel from the other towers.
5) The USA had several times upped its security status on air traffic, in the run up to 911. That alone would make the shares a sale rather than a buy, as less people flew and costs increased. Added to this, I am told though I have no evidence myself, that fuel costs rose dramatically around that time, again squeezing margins. If the financial sector were aware of an imminent attack of this type, they would hardly have been at work on the day it happened and in the building targetted!!
6) The architect who designed the towers explained this one very simply. The towers were designed to withstand a jet crashing into them, and they did as designed. What they could not cope with was the intense heat from the aviation fuel. The supports buckled and gave way. This led to a vertical collapse. This is exactly how demolition engineers demolish tall structures within themselves, by deliberately weakening the frame.
The explosions heard could come from anything likely to be within the buildings, though it is more likely to be the sound of the steel frame giving way.
The lesson learned, BTW, was one of how to improve the fire retardent in place around the frame.

IMHO, there is nothing in there new, or that cannot be explained a bit more rationally than by saying the USA wished to kill thousands of its own civillians in order to start a war.

Alan

BARWONI - Just vhecked out your web recomendation at http://www.nineeleven.co.uk.
You cant seriously believe that. If you read such drivel and then base your opinions on it and think its fact. you would seriously go down in my estimation.

Although i agree there are a number of holes in the 9/11 report and contradictory statements. The page seems to lead into a conspiracy theory. It is easy with hindsite to pick holes in any report and provide evidence to the contrary. This is still going on for the space landings.
Although I have read the site and will keep an open mind until i have had the time to reread it, it seems another in a long line of people with to much time on thier hands and access to a web page.
They lead with a photo ( center left) with an arrow say what is this? Debris, over pressure, secondary explosion to name but a few. We, i think are suposed to draw a more sinister conclusion.
I will get back to you and I will study this some more.

I wonder why Little Lord Fauntleroy is making a speech in Australia to-day condemning American treatment of captives held in Guantanamo Bay.

Whose skin is he trying to save, or has he just seen the error of his ways.

I must admit when the rest of the world looks at this type of American democracy it is easy to see why they reject it.

Also, of interest, why America and Blair are struggling to get NATOs nations troops to serve in Afghanistan, now that the Americans have stirred up a mass of the Afghans against them by their shock and awe tactics.

I think another American Brainstormer.

Hey stop taking my name in vain marky boy, it was that sick puppy maestro.............aka davidblack/bhg and many ither aliases to many to post here..

barwoni....you are a stupid deluded fool,unable to discriminate from fact and fiction...if you had any children which i doubt i wonder if you'd be different if they were on the frontline in Iraq doing Blairs filthy work

No need for soldiers for much longer in Iraq, they are doing a first rate job of exterminating each other. Quiet you sick ignorant fool maestro!

The Real 2006
'Iraq Body Count'

Iraqi civilians killed this year by Islamic Terrorists
8,615

Iraqi civilians killed collaterally by Americans
60*

Iraq has oil, we want it, so its exterminate no matter whos doing the killing.. And for any Iraqi citizens or terrorists our local council is providing refudge, a free council flat, food coupons, a BMW 318 and a guaranteed job dealing illegal drugs.

New York City has 11 letters
>> >2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.
>> >3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers

>>in
>> >1993) has 11
>>letters.
>> >4) George W Bush has 11 letters.
>> >This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:
>> >1) New York is the 11th state.
>> >2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number
>>11.
>> >3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11
>> >4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65
>> >passengers. 6+5 = 11
>> >5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1

>>=
>> >11
>> >6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911.
>>9 +
>> >1 + 1 = 11
>> >Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:
>> >1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254.
>>2 +
>> >5 + 4 = 11.
>> >2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2 + 5 + 4
>>=
>> >11.
>> >3) The Madridbombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 +
>>1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.
>> >4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers
>>incident.
>> >Now this is where things get totally eerie:
>> >The most recognized symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the
>> >Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy
>>book:
>> >"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle.
>>The
>> >wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah while
>>some
>> >of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of
>>the
>> >Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."
>> >That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.
>> >unconvinced about all of this Still ..?! Try this and see how you feel
>> >afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:
>> >Open Microsoft Word and do the following:
>> >1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the
>>flight number of the first plane to
>> >hit one of the Twin Towers.
>> >*
>> >2. Highlight the Q33 NY.
>> >3. Change the font size to 48.
>> >4. Change the actual font to the WINGDINGS
>> >What do you think now?!!
>> >Send this to as many people as you know and in 11 minutes you will get a
>> >nice surprise, if you don't you will get the shock of Your life in 11
>>min.

911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB PROTESTERS VENT THEIR ANGER AT GLOBALISTS
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2058900307247947089

Which is it??

2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number
>>11.

1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the
>>flight number of the first plane to
>> >hit one of the Twin Towers.

Someone emailed it to me this morning, haven't tried the microsoft word bit yet.

i wouldn't worry about it...just stick to the facts that 911 was an inside job...WTC7 pulled by Controlled Demolition aka Silverstein

WTC7 was allowed to collapse according to the NYFD chiefs, as they did not have the manpower to fight the fire therein, and there was no danger to anyone if it did. It would have had to have been pulled down anyway, even if it had survived, as the intensity of the fire had made it structurally unsafe.

If they wanted to provoke a war , it would have been more easy to use misinformation about a planed attack on the twin towers and the white house then go to the risky plan of blowing them up, the amount of people that would need to be in the know and the backlash if the plot was discovered makes it a non starter

lol! dream on guys!

So where does Elvis fit into this??

hewitt..the reason you don't want the truth out is because you are comfortable in your own little world and don't want to rock the boat...i see people like you everywhere,think more of their BMW than humanity...queueing up on sunday afternoons waiting for their cars to be washed

Jaguar actually............
No. You are wrong. just because you assert that it is the truth, it does not make it so.
The evidence for what you believe is shaky at best.
The point I was making was that the world is full of barmpots who are willing to believe anything that shows some kind of conspiracy. They devote their lives to looking for evidence to support it, and very often they actually find some. This is not suprising because if you set out to prove something, then you will find supporters of the nudge nudge, wink wink persuasion, and you will find anomolies.
Scientists recognise this fact and they set out to disprove theories. They also use Occrams Razor where more than one possibility presents itself.
The evidence for WTC7 is simply that you and a few others do not believe it!! this is of no great shock in a country where over 50% of the population believe they have had close encounters with Aliens, JFK was shot by "Badgeman", the world is run by a secret society called the illuminati, Elvis is alive and well and a CIA agent, and, best of all, There is a department within the US government that conspires to start conspiracy theories!!
There really is no possible way that any administration would go to those lengths, and take the enormous risks involved (given that the inner circle of those who knew beforehand would be enormous) to start a war they could do by simpler methods (Single assasination, destabilising the regime to the point of civil war, shooting down a single US aircraft etc.). One president was impeached for a single interview, another for getting a blow job from his secretary!! The risks are too high.
Alan

We seem to agree on something, thats a first. ps note i didn't spell it thirst.

H6. I have to agree with once more. America administration would stick with the tools it has being using for years, "Single assassination, destabilising the regime to the point of civil war," Perhaps, I would make it multiple assassinations with blackmail and corruption". The chosen methods of a true democracy.