Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Aye nice try Fred , next you'll be telling me there's no such thing as Father Christmas.

Dil.

Didn't they tell you!

That is why you will have an empty stocking next Christmas.

Oh dear, Dilbert. Maybe Brexit might never happen???

:o)

I think this government should now respect public opinion and have another referendum, when or if they ever negotiate or have any idea what the so-called exit is
and give a full explanation of the likely consequences such a "deal".

Unless of course, we want to be a "country" fawning around the world looking for scraps as TM, Oris, Davies, Fox and the Moggie and cohorts are doing at the moment.

Blimey, Fred, you mustn't say things like that on this thread. You'll offend the Moggie & Nige Fan Club.

:o)

The adolescents can go off and play with themselves.

Dream on hils we're leaving and good riddance to Brussels :-)

Fred , you can have another Brexit referendum after I get another referendum on devolution.

Let's hear it for Moggmentum!

Come on, Hilary! Surely, you can tell a budding 'up and coming' Prime Minister when you see one?



(From today's Sunday Telegraph)

See an up and coming Prime Minister???

I can only see a reactionary dinosaur. The major political battles are always fought and won on the centre ground, and the Tories will NEVER win a general election with Moggie at the helm. The more you attempt to shift to the right and press for a hard Brexit, the higher the probability that Brexit won't even happen.

hils - who would you favour as next tory leader?

What makes you think that Maggie Dismay is going anywhere anytime soon, Cyners?

Rats in a bag.

hils - i did not even intimate that, but was just interested in view of a potential successor (from the present bunch of MPs)

I realised that, Cyners, but the successor will invariably be matched to the requirements of the party at the point in time that May either resigns or is forced out. Will the new leader need to deliver Brexit? Or fight a general election? From an incumbent position? Or from opposition? So, like all good politicians, I chose to answer your question with another question.

If you were to ask me, however, who I thought would make the best leader today to deliver a successful Brexit, which was respectful of all the divisions, it would probably be David Davis.

It wont matter who the tories put up as supreme leader. They are going to lose!

Corby has come up with an absolute blinder:



Jeremy Corbyn announces Labour will buy every homeless person in the country a house



By Kate McCann, Senior Political Correspondent
28 January 2018 • 11:06am




Labour will buy every homeless person in the UK a house if the party is elected, Jeremy Corbyn has announced.

The party leader said he would purchase 8,000 homes "immediately" and give them to people sleeping rough around the UK.

He also highlighted plans to allow councils to take over properties that have been left "deliberately" empty in order to house people who are on waiting lists around the country.

Rough sleeping in England has reached new highs, official figures out last week showed.



The rest of the lunacy is here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/28/jeremy-corbyn-announces-labour-will-buy-every-homeless-person/

of course he will, and there were a few other gems in there too

similarly mcdonnell will try to force auditors to ensure their clients pay MAXIMUM tax

what planet do these guys come from i wonder, though no doubt many among the great unwashed (+ fred) will think it's a spiffing idea - if they even know the word

Corbyn's free educayshun gambit targeted a demographic representing 5%, or maybe even 10%, of the electorate. It was a masterstroke.

His latest hare-brained scheme, however, targets 5,000, or maybe even 10,000, people who almost certainly aren't even on the electoral register (how do you send a ballot paper to someone of no fixed abode?). Equally, it will alienate him against a similar number of affected home owners who are on the register.

Perhaps, Mark and Manuel would prefer to have corpses and dying lying on the pavements outside their dwellings.

Or turn a blind eye to the "problem".

I wait to see the details.

It's pretty obvious that the relationship between the EU and UK is so complicated that outside the government and those who deal with this...noboby really understands what this is all about...I don't for one....is it that complicated...?...it might be a good thing if journalists would explain how and what and where all this works.....most people think we buy..sell and that's it....but there are so many problems with this....it needs explaining if that's possible to the general public....

fred - DYOR! .... both were fully reported in the papers ...... prehaps your attention span is now too short to cope; fear not, for i'm sure your family have already contacted dignitas, so a jolly hol in the alps may await you